Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #58909
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Spreadsheet Cooling Section
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:26:48 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I understand, Jeff.   The equations are seldom the problem, the problem is how to apply them and the initial conditions.  I'll check out the link and see what I can gleen from it.
 
Ok, read the paper.  Basically it's the same equations I am using (basic heat transfer equation).  The difference is they derive DT from DT = coolant Temp - Ambient Temp rather than the unilateral choice I made of DT = 70F.    What might be useful would be the equation for the curve for the non-linear curve showing cfm airflow required vs DT.
 
I will look into it some more and see what makes sense.
 
 
Thanks
 
Ed

Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:06 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Spreadsheet Cooling Section

Ed, I don’t claim to know how to the fix the equations, was just pointing out what I encountered when using the spreadsheet.

The following link provides some equations and graphs for the effects of OAT on required airflow; it’s mostly about designing with fans but principle is the same.

http://www.flexxaire.com/documentation/modern_cooling_system_theory.pdf

I think your initial thoughts of picking a mid-point temperature then apply the DT above/below that point will help the cooling section – HP section looks very good!

Jeff

 

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"Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>

Subject:

Re: [FlyRotary] Re: [flyRotary] Spreadsheet Cooling Section

Date:

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:48:53 -0400

To:

"Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

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No doubt it could stand improvements for sure, Jeff.

 

  There are four DT's I employ in the cooling equations.  Change in  air temperature across the radiator, change in air temperature across the oil cooler and change in fluid temperature of the coolant and oil as they flow through their heat exchanger.    I have heard of Air DT across the radiator ranging from 50-100F,  I am currently using a DT of 70F , but I know that Tracy has reported a DT of  100F.   I am also using DT of 70F for the oil cooler and that is probably too high.    For both fluid DTs, I am using 16F.

 

IF anyone has reference material or sources that could help me refine those figures - it would undoubtedly improve the cooling section.

 

As Jeff pointed out for the cooling section there is no input for OAT although there is for the power section.  My initial thoughts would be to pick

 

some OAT and I'm thinking of 59F (SL standard day temp) as a nominal mid point of  DT.  Then if OAT is above that DT, then to simply subtract the difference between OAT and 59F and reduce the air DT across the radiator by that amount.  Conversely if OAT is below 59F then to add that DT to the 70F I am currently using. 

 

By increasing the DT factor more heat is transferred (better cooling) by reducing the DT factor less heat is transferred (worst cooling)

 

IF anyone has reference material or sources that could help me refine those figures - it would undoubtedly improve the cooling section.


Ed

 

Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104

 

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