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From: Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Woodruff key check  [FlyRotary] Re: Oil
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Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Woodruff key check  [FlyRotary] Re: Oil
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Thanks Ed, I remember that story now.  I do remember what a bugger it was t=
o get the key in such that I was confident it would stay, but it will be on=
e more thing to look for. =20

Chris

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of =
Ed Anderson [eanderson@carolina.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 8:40 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Woodruff key check  [FlyRotary] Re: Oil pressureagain

Agree with Mark - check woodruff key

Here was my experience with it

Ed

> Chris, having had some experience with that problem (the only problems I
> haven't had experience  with is turbo related {:>).
>
> A couple of things - one of course, is the possibility of the "O" ring
> slipping out of place, bad oil pump, oil regulator, etc.
>
> However, one thing that nearly bit me is I flew for 10 hours without the
> woodruff key in the oil pump shaft.  The nut torque was holding it in
> place until I had a start (with throttle Wide open on a cool morning with
> 50 W oil) which broke the nut torque loose - when taxing out for take off
> at Tracy's but could get oil pressure above 25 psi - so aborted the
> planned take off.  Finally took the oil pan off only to hear some
> "clinking" in the pan.  As soon as I picked it up the metal object , I
> knew what the problem was.
>
> Apparently  while I had inserted the key, when I pushed the gear sprocket
> on the shaft I push the key out fall enough to catch it between the
> sprocket and aluminum pump housing when I torqued the nut (the impression
> of the key was in the pump housing).  So if didn't fall into the pan or
> out on the bench where I might have noticed it.  However, once the engine
> fire up for the first time it threw the key into the pan.
>
> Fortunately leaving the throttle Wide Open and forgetting to close it
> before engine start caused the engine to zoom to 5500 rpm and the 50
> weight oil apparent cause the nut to lose its grip and although I didn't
> really believe I had an oil problem (thought it was probably the sensor) =
,
> I just couldn't talk myself into taking off - fortunately.
>
> Ed
>
> Edward L. Anderson
> Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
> 305 Reefton Road
> Weddington, NC 28104
> http://www.andersonee.com
> http://www.eicommander.com
>
>
> So just add woodruff key to your checklist if its not already there.
>
> Ed
>
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> From: "Chris Barber" <cbarber@texasattorney.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:29 PM
> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil pressure again
>
>> I don't think it is the sensors as I have two and the drop is consistent
>> on both. I have both the RWS sensor and the Dynon.   It seems to be
>> having trouble getting in the mid 20 psi range.
>>
>> I have a busy week so I think I am about to order new oil pump and O-rin=
g
>> and spacer  Hopefully it will arrive about the time my time frees up  I
>> figure it can't hurt and that will pretty much make everything in the
>> engine new except the rotors and e-shaft.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 4
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, "Bobby J. Hughes" <bhughes@qnsi.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> How much has it dropped? Could it be the sensor? I had one fail early i=
n
>>> phase 1. Every time I pitched up the pressure would drop and trigger an
>>> alarm.
>>>
>>> Bobby
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2012, at 9:11 AM, "Chris Barber" <cbarber@texasattorney.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My oil pressure has dropped again. I am jumping to the conclusion it i=
s
>>>> that pesky front cover O-ring. I know I was meticulous with installing
>>>> it last time. While it may be something else, I doubt it. I had the
>>>> pressure valve fall into the pan a couple of years ago and it is now
>>>> safety wired in. Perhaps it is the oil pump but it seems so simple and
>>>> not prone to failure.
>>>>
>>>> So, to make this more than a vent, as I know mostly how to address
>>>> this....contrary to the evidence that I am having to screw with it
>>>> again, is there any words of wisdom y'all would care to share. Since I
>>>> will at least have the front cover off (should be able to do do with
>>>> engine on the plane) would this be a good time to replace the oil pump=
.
>>>> It has not been replaced in the past do it is many years old with an
>>>> unknown number of miles. Is there a "better" oil pump out there than
>>>> the turbo version offered by Mazdatrix that I should ponder?
>>>>
>>>> I may have the oil ring and plastic retaining ring already if I can
>>>> find them. Just gotta find the time to crack into it.  Then to continu=
e
>>>> my turbo diagnosis. Great power without intercooler (even though I
>>>> found no restriction, but it is a super cheap intercooler from eBay)
>>>> and blow off valve or even N/A. Obvious limited breathing with the
>>>> cheap intercooler and blow off valve
>>>>
>>>> TIA.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Barber
>>>> Houston
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4
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