Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #58852
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Prop revs
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:53:24 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Ok, didn't have your manifold pressure at run up so I assume 29" Hg (1" of loss).  Based on that assumption, 6300 rpm and the fuel flow of 14.1 gph, I came up with 153 HP.  Now to get that with a 14.1 GPH fuel flow it took an A/R of 17:1, (leaner than your stated A/R). Since  you mentioned that you have not yet calibrated the fuel flow, I suspect that you might be flow more fue -l in which base the HP number would go up and the A/R down.  
 
Generally best power is found at an A/R of around 12.6:1 - if I plug that value in at 6300 rpm this is what you should theoretically see:
 
6300 RPM  A/R 12.6:1 (Best Power) and 29" Hg MAP = 206HP and 19.1 GPH fuel flow.  So you’re A/R plays a key role in power being produced at any rpm .
 
So next time if you can, get your manifold pressure reading and I can give you a better estimate although until you have the fuel flow calibrated its likely to be inaccurate.
 
Ed

From: Neil Unger
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Prop revs

ED and all.
        Ran up to 6300 revs (approx) and the fuel flow was showing 14.1 GPH at 14 A/F ratio.  Not sure that the fuel flow is correct as has not been set yet. This is Tracy’s standard setting so far.   Engine is lumpy under 1800 rpm and has its moments until over 3000 rpm when everything acts normally. Suspect that part of the blame may be the slide throttle.  Have 6.5 hours on the ground so far and will check for another few hours yet.  Full noise gives an EGT of 1770, so will have to up the alarm limit to 1800. Finally fixed all the oil and water leaks.  Any advice re what to check next before take off ?  Neil.
 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:21 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Prop revs
 
Hi Ed
 
Thanks for the offer but I'm not flying yet.
Hopefully early next year.
 
Steve Izett
Glasair SIIRG Renesis 4 port RD1C EC2 EM3
On 22/08/2012, at 8:51 PM, Ed Anderson wrote:

Steve, if you give me the fuel flow you are seeing at 6300 rpm and manifold pressure, I can give you a pretty good estimate from my spreadsheet of what power you are producing.  Also should you happen to have the Air/Fuel ratio that would be a plus but not essential.
 
Ed
 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Prop revs
 
Thanks Ed
I've wondered what my Renesis 4 port with a good intake manifold and in flight adjustable prop will produce.
So on a cold day she will hopefully still breath to 7250RPM and maybe approach 200HP?
 
Cheers
 
Steve Izett
 
 
On 21/08/2012, at 11:40 PM, Ed Anderson wrote:

Steve,
 
On a cold morning when I can see 19-20 gph on take off at 6200 rpm, I calculate based on fuel burn rate and an air/fuel ratio of 12.65:1 that I am probably producing around 180-185 HP.  On hot days based on fuel burn of 16.5-17.0 GPH, I calculate around 165-170 HP.
 
The fastest I've ever had the Rv-6A was 200 mph TAS burning round 13.25-14.5 GPH.
 
But, none of this was done on a dyno - its based on fuel burn and rpm and  we all know a rotary can pass through more fuel than is producing power.  Anyhow, it’s the best estimate I have. 
 
Ed
 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:31 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Prop revs
 
Ed
 
Out of interest, what do you think you are getting in HP from your 13B and at what RPM?
 
Steve Izett
 
 
 
On 21/08/2012, at 9:15 PM, Ed Anderson wrote:

I would say you have  winner.  Does of course depend on what prop load you were pulling during static run.
 
I have a fixed pitch 74x88 and a well-tuned older 13B and the best I have ever got static - was 6200 rpm on a cold day.  Normally, I get 6000-6100 rpm. 
 
So depending on your prop, it looks like you are doing great for static rpm.
 
Ed
 
From: Neil Unger
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:48 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Prop revs
 
All,
       Looks like I am finally connected after many attempts..  I have a P ported renesis in a glastar that is ready to fly.  Tuning the motor yesterday to find that I cannot get the motor revs over 6300.  I suspected the prop (prince fixed) is too big, but am assured that that is normal as a static load.  Lonnie suggests that once moving the extra revs will appear.  How do I tune the motor for the top end revs?  Any advice?  Neil.

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