X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.129.170.194] (HELO VIRCOM1.fcdata.private) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTP id 5724685 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:53:56 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Received: from FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE (unverified [172.16.5.23]) by VIRCOM1.fcdata.private (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.1024.13396) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:52:23 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: 172.16.5.23=OK;cbarber@texasattorney.net=OK X-Modus-RBL: 172.16.5.23=Excluded X-Modus-Trusted: 172.16.5.23=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Received: from FCD-MAIL05.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::809d:a06e:5913:452e]) by FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::697f:d6aa:b87:78d8%17]) with mapi id 14.01.0379.000; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:54:29 -0500 From: Chris Barber To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Check Temps on Climbout was e: [FlyRotary] Turboquestion. Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Check Temps on Climbout was e: [FlyRotary] Turboquestion. Thread-Index: AQHNgK/jR71K3/94LkGKGRVlrybhY5dmcHgo Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:53:18 +0000 Message-ID: <74B39C50-EA6E-4F8C-AAA1-D4E8217AC056@texasattorney.net> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Thanks Ed. I am pleased you verified my concern after my cooling skyrocketi= ng yesterday when I went to full power.=20 Trying to determine where the restriction is now.=20 You are the best.=20 Sent from my iPhone 4 On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:48 PM, "Ed Anderson" wrot= e: > Chris, One thing to be checking on your next take off is your coolant/oil= temps. As you know take-off is the worst combination of low cooling air m= ass flow and max engine temperature due to WOT. >=20 > You would be surprised how quickly (with the additional power you now hav= e) you will exceed your cooling limits if not careful. So I would be certa= in to check the temps at a frequent rate on your next take-off until you kn= ow how the system is going to react - hate to see you cook your engine duri= ng your first real Turbo climb out. >=20 > I find for my Rv-6A that I needed to get to 120 mph IAS as quick as possi= ble to get on the good side of the cooling curve. So that generally meant = take off - get safely above surround obstructions, then level off/reduce cl= imb until airspeed hit 120. Then I could resume climb with cooling gradual= ly bring the temps down as altitude and airflow increased. Your sweet spot= airspeed would undoubtedly be different given different platform and cooli= ng set up. >=20 > Ed >=20 > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Chris Barber" > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:17 PM > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Subject: [FlyRotary] Turbo question. >=20 >> As I have mentioned I have had what I think are incongruent readings reg= arding my manifold pressure (mp)and engine rpm. It seems I am getting quite= low mp as I add power to higher rpm. >>=20 >> I am not well versed in this area but my thought is that as I add power,= even with slight boost (currently using a 3 lb spring in my wastegate) eve= ntually my mp should raise a bit more. >>=20 >> Today I did some static test. I recorded engine RPM with the turbo hook= ed up and recorded the mp at 1000 rpm increments. Then I removed the turbo = plumbing from my intake and recorded the same info My results currently con= fuse me. >>=20 >> With the turbo hooked up I am getting >>=20 >> RPM. MP inches >> 2000 - 14.0 >> 3000 - 15.5 >> 4000 - 19.3 >> 5000 - 21.6 >> 5700 - 24.5 (topped out) >>=20 >> With the turbo removed. >>=20 >> 2000 - 15.8 >> 3000 - 15.3 >> 4000 - 19.7 >> 5000 - 24.8 >> 5833 - 29.8 >>=20 >> Is this indicative of restriction in my plumbing? Perhaps in the inter c= ooler? A dirty air filter? A bad pop off valve or a leak not allowing the a= ir pressure getting to the intake. Or???? >>=20 >> I am uncertain what other permitters I need to check and provide. I am j= ust starting my diagnosis in my Phase One testing. I only have 1.6 hours in= the air so far. I value ya'll's direction and input. >>=20 >> Heck, perhaps this is working properly but it just doesn't seem right/co= mfortable. >>=20 >> Thanks folks. >>=20 >> Chris Barber >> Houston >> Velocity SE >> Rotary 13b turbo (?) :-) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone 4 >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List= .html >>=20 >>=20 >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5211 - Release Date: 08/20/1= 2 >>=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/Lis= t.html