X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com ([209.85.214.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.6) with ESMTPS id 5623282 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:33:29 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.214.180; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by obbuo19 with SMTP id uo19so4355583obb.25 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:32:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=98op0zOychFPE2rs5W92PnVbnIo7x0SWH3ho7PTgRWo=; b=rAwfIKllUN+ViTu2Ir5dWP+Ww4fyvnvq3NizTu5GnA5chKvR0LxVB/xfQfoivpt5qP DBULzFR15sKNXB9mqZdOiCu9Re6D8Aq5vV8ApPlzy3xARg7qbFojlzaM5esF6BFt9H4O mbC3o0D/3dNaOD7VXZRTy84oXqDedfKrgoAKZFw0WeyTE8oHkvwmr8S/fWdHYbqHcnfv +lA7YMWmOFaFr9Q3TZW69J3C85cjQxMbw90uHYW8GPXgsQo9gzNQtWrQYCrsTr28EDS4 eICWS+jFoYT2U7FUworXOJvaYujAoMUF8nE8dZsNeONkzm1+8SppAfehLTI1z/fAdilN K8hw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.231.6 with SMTP id tc6mr8970920obc.63.1340544776146; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.28.70 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:32:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:32:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: One rotary down and out From: Kelly Troyer To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0446312c3010b904c337e7cf --f46d0446312c3010b904c337e7cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jeff, Again "Good Flying" and thankfully you just Shaken up..............Sounds like push on hose was a secondary failure like you said or perhaps a result of the crash (Oil on the belly would have had to happen in the air though)............. The 13B quit when you shut off one fuel pump but resumed running when switched back on (is that correct) for another couple of minutes after you smelled fuel and it quit for good............Will be interesting what failure you may find in the fuel system...............Again thankful you are OK.............. Kelly Troyer On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Bobby J. Hughes wrote: > Jeff > > I'm glad you were not injured. > > Bobby Hughes > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 24, 2012, at 5:54 AM, "Jeff Whaley" wrote: > > Sorry to post bad news guys but need to share this with you form a > safety perspective. > > > > Anyway what happened ... engine failure, prop stopped went into a corn > field and flipped over. > I have 2 fuel pumps; decided to turn 1 off, when I did the engine quit - > pump back on okay - repeated same result. > 5 miles from home base I headed back, radioed inbound, 1 minute later I > thought I smelled fuel and another 1 minute later the engine quit. Trimmed > the airplane, mayday and glided straight ahead. Lots of corn and a few soya > bean fields around but didn't want to land in them, saw a gravel road and > turned to line up on it, pulled on full flaps for minimum landing speed, > when I turned final there was a huge elm tree on the right edge at my > expected touch down point, so at 100' I turned left into the field which > was corn ... everything was going great until I hit the corn. Thankfully > the seats belts and shoulder harnesses did their job; upside down I > released the belts and got out of there fast. > > > > Walked out, phoned police and after they arrived authorities wanted the > ELT shut off so we walked back to the airplane; when I got there I saw oil > all over the bottom of fuselage. Checked engine and found the oil-out line > (push-lock connector) hanging loose. I expect what happened is when the > engine quit and restarted those 2 times that sent a burst of oil pressure > and blew the hose off ... I pushed it back on and it would not pull back > off again. I had heard some guys were putting heat shrink or other back-up > systems on these connectors; I wish now I had used a simple stainless worm > clamp. Engine and redrive will be toast, airplane is substantially damaged > ... I'll salvage what I can. > Jeff > This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the > addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any > unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our > internal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. > > -- Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta_"Eventually" 13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 --f46d0446312c3010b904c337e7cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeff,
=A0 Again "Good Flying" and thankfully you=A0just Shaken up.= .............Sounds like push on hose was a secondary failure
like you said or perhaps a result of the crash (Oil on the belly=A0 wo= uld have had to happen in the air though).............
=A0The 13B=A0quit when you shut off one fuel pump but resumed running = when switched back on (is that correct)=A0 for
another=A0 couple of minutes after=A0you smelled fuel and it quit for = good............Will be interesting what failure=A0you may
find in the fuel system...............Again thankful you are OK.......= .......
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On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Bobby J. Hughes= <bhughes@qnsi.net> wrote:
Jeff

I'm glad you were not injured.=A0

Bobby Hughes=A0

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 24, 2012, at 5:54 AM, "Jeff Whaley" <jwhaley@datacast.com= > wrote:

Sorry to post bad news guys but need to share this with you form a safet= y perspective.

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Anyway what happened ... engine failure, prop stopped went into a corn f= ield and flipped over.
I have 2 fuel pumps; decided to turn 1 off, when = I did the engine quit - pump back on okay - repeated same result.
5 mile= s from home base=A0I headed back, radioed inbound, 1 minute later I thought= I smelled fuel and another 1 minute later the engine quit. Trimmed the air= plane, mayday and glided straight ahead. Lots of corn and a few soya bean f= ields around but didn't want to land in them, saw a gravel road and tur= ned to line up on it, pulled on full flaps for minimum landing speed, when = I turned final there was a huge elm tree on the right edge at my expected t= ouch down point, so at 100' I turned left into the field which was corn= ... everything was going great until I hit the corn.=A0=A0Thankfully the s= eats belts and shoulder harnesses did their job; upside down I released the= belts and got out of there fast.

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Walked out, phoned police and after they arrived authorities wanted the = ELT shut off so we walked back to the airplane; when I got there I saw oil = all over the bottom of fuselage. Checked engine and found the oil-out line = (push-lock connector) hanging loose. I expect what happened is when the eng= ine quit and restarted those 2 times that sent a burst of oil pressure and = blew the hose off ... I pushed it back on and it would not pull back off ag= ain. I had heard some guys were putting heat shrink or other back-up system= s on these connectors; I wish now I had used a simple stainless worm clamp.= =A0Engine and redrive will be toast, airplane is substantially damaged ...= I'll salvage what I can.
Jeff

This message, and the documents attached hereto, is inten= ded only for the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential infor= mation. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have rec= eived this message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may co= rrect our internal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank = you.



-- Kelly Troyer
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