X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-bk0-f52.google.com ([209.85.214.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.6) with ESMTPS id 5623249 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:50:10 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.214.52; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so2311152bkc.25 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 05:49:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=47njk8FfXMAhBgIF0aVbsZrL7nLPxqkx7M0NhtwaQ4A=; b=On2tZ24MxCb9BDSKoj+aFGXciKncLoJEa7u+2mgmPW16jokxgthFJOjsNpNCCBW0x8 IIliY2d2YD0cT5VRyA75XhmFHi9pfBJHGzoY6A8qNlu9qZQK8piicvF9NnG3HvT51npd B7hGW1OXJjOqvN8mVBYowMoQog9jSEIQqWjJREmXgdcRw2RmQuKZFSqhvz43yHLto79V YkW5Nn4AAkc+BVdhYxXi6rYBi1F2UOBMNqEDEH2xZo1znGQhv+MzL5V/vkmg7t9bmeCm Vg4MHctk2dG4sqQPQR3oo9O6wbcIi0nmngvTQjmcnswVP2Zx5a/nbaFVjKDlUlYmY+Lv P2ag== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.120.17 with SMTP id fw17mr3008610bkc.20.1340542175390; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 05:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.97.194 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 05:49:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:49:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: One rotary down and out From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce004802bacd704c3374cb5 --000e0ce004802bacd704c3374cb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff, I'm sure I speak for the group in saying that we're really happy that you walked away from this. Sounds like you kept your wits about you and made the best decisions possible under the circumstances. You've survived to fly another day. My DAR was experienced flying behind a rotary-powered a/c. He stated that the rotary engine is very robust, but warned me to pay close attention to the peripheral systems. I've tried to remember that as I work on my airplane and make "minor" changes to the peripheral systems. Mark S. Lancair ES/N/A PP 20B On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Bill Schertz wrote: > Jeff, > First, kudos for keeping your cool and flying the plane all the way to th= e > ground =96 glad you are okay. > > Second, I am not familiar with the =91push-lock connector=92 fitting that= you > referred to, is it simply hose over a barbed fitting? > > Third, what is the model of the plane you had the rotary in? > > Bill Schertz > KIS Cruiser #4045 > N343BS > Phase one testing Completed > > *From:* Jeff Whaley > *Sent:* Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:52 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] One rotary down and out > > > Sorry to post bad news guys but need to share this with you form a safety > perspective. > > > > Anyway what happened ... engine failure, prop stopped went into a corn > field and flipped over. > I have 2 fuel pumps; decided to turn 1 off, when I did the engine quit - > pump back on okay - repeated same result. > 5 miles from home base I headed back, radioed inbound, 1 minute later I > thought I smelled fuel and another 1 minute later the engine quit. Trimme= d > the airplane, mayday and glided straight ahead. Lots of corn and a few so= ya > bean fields around but didn't want to land in them, saw a gravel road and > turned to line up on it, pulled on full flaps for minimum landing speed, > when I turned final there was a huge elm tree on the right edge at my > expected touch down point, so at 100' I turned left into the field which > was corn ... everything was going great until I hit the corn. Thankfully > the seats belts and shoulder harnesses did their job; upside down I > released the belts and got out of there fast. > > > > Walked out, phoned police and after they arrived authorities wanted the > ELT shut off so we walked back to the airplane; when I got there I saw oi= l > all over the bottom of fuselage. Checked engine and found the oil-out lin= e > (push-lock connector) hanging loose. I expect what happened is when the > engine quit and restarted those 2 times that sent a burst of oil pressure > and blew the hose off ... I pushed it back on and it would not pull back > off again. I had heard some guys were putting heat shrink or other back-u= p > systems on these connectors; I wish now I had used a simple stainless wor= m > clamp. Engine and redrive will be toast, airplane is substantially damag= ed > ... I'll salvage what I can. > Jeff > This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the > addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any > unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our > internal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. > --000e0ce004802bacd704c3374cb5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff,=A0

I'm sure I speak for the group in saying th= at we're really happy that you walked away from this. =A0Sounds like yo= u kept your wits about you and made the best decisions possible under the c= ircumstances. =A0You've survived to fly another day. =A0

My DAR was experienced flying behind a rotary-powered a= /c. =A0He stated that the rotary engine is very robust, but warned me to pa= y close attention to the peripheral systems. =A0I've tried to remember = that as I work on my airplane and make "minor" changes to the per= ipheral systems.=A0

Mark S.
Lancair ES/N/A PP 20B =A0
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On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 6:= 38 AM, Bill Schertz <wschertz@comcast.net> wrote:
Jeff,
First, kudos for keeping your cool and flying the plane all the way to= the=20 ground =96 glad you are okay.
=A0
Second, I am not familiar with the =91push-lock connector=92 fitting t= hat you=20 referred to, is it simply hose over a barbed fitting?
=A0
Third, what is the model of the plane you had the rotary in?
=A0
Bill=20 Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase one testing Completed
=A0
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:52 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <= /div>
Subject: [FlyRotary] One rotary down and out
=A0

Sorry to post bad news guys but need to share this with you form a safet= y=20 perspective.

=A0

Anyway what happened ... engine failure, prop stopped went into a corn f= ield=20 and flipped over.
I have 2 fuel pumps; decided to turn 1 off, when I did= the=20 engine quit - pump back on okay - repeated same result.
5 miles from hom= e=20 base I headed back, radioed inbound, 1 minute later I thought I smelled fue= l and=20 another 1 minute later the engine quit. Trimmed the airplane, mayday and gl= ided=20 straight ahead. Lots of corn and a few soya bean fields around but didn'= ;t want=20 to land in them, saw a gravel road and turned to line up on it, pulled on f= ull=20 flaps for minimum landing speed, when I turned final there was a huge elm t= ree=20 on the right edge at my expected touch down point, so at 100' I turned = left into=20 the field which was corn ... everything was going great until I hit the=20 corn.=A0 Thankfully the seats belts and shoulder harnesses did their job;= =20 upside down I released the belts and got out of there fast.

=A0

Walked out, phoned police and after they arrived authorities wanted the = ELT=20 shut off so we walked back to the airplane; when I got there I saw oil all = over=20 the bottom of fuselage. Checked engine and found the oil-out line (push-loc= k=20 connector) hanging loose. I expect what happened is when the engine quit an= d=20 restarted those 2 times that sent a burst of oil pressure and blew the hose= off=20 ... I pushed it back on and it would not pull back off again. I had heard s= ome=20 guys were putting heat shrink or other back-up systems on these connectors;= I=20 wish now I had used a simple stainless worm clamp.=A0 Engine and redrive wi= ll=20 be toast, airplane is substantially damaged ... I'll salvage what I=20 can.
Jeff

This message, and the documents attached hereto, = is=20 intended only for the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential= =20 information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you hav= e=20 received this message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may= =20 correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message. Than= k=20 you.

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