X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.227] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTP id 5546797 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 17 May 2012 08:21:17 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.59.227; envelope-from=gordon@acumen-ea.com Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B0Ks1j0030ldTLk5C0LiGx; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:20:42 +0000 Received: from GordonHPelite ([76.123.51.236]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B0Lh1j01P55mGuc3Q0LiG3; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:20:42 +0000 From: "Gordon Alling" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] BSFC and EGT Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 08:20:38 -0400 Message-ID: <002401cd3427$78156790$684036b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac0z5lEdT4Q39wWPRfyUSGgZ/kL0vwAQKtuA If I read this plot correctly, the SFC is reported between 0.6 and 0.7 over most of the range. What units are used? Lb/Hp-Hr? If so, this seems a bit high for a four-stroke spark ignition engine at cruise setting. I would expect to see 0.45 - 0.55 Lb/Hp-Hr. Gordon C. Alling, Jr., PE President acumen Engineering/Analysis, Inc. 540-786-2200 www.acumen-ea.com -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Steven W. Boese Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:34 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] BSFC and EGT Charlie and Ernest, The attached plot is from Doug Dempsey's presentation at Paducah in 2010. There was no wideband O2 sensor instrumentation in the system. Steve ________________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of Ernest Christley [echristley@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:15 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Why Apha N?? : [FlyRotary] Re: With great power comes...the ability to muck things up The most efficient mixture with half throttle will produce about half the power of the most efficient mixture with full throttle. The mixture is no more powerful, but there is more of it. There is more fuel being injected...twice as much, but there is also twice as much air. The target AFR up to full throttle is not just about efficiency. Keeping the EGT low, noise down and exhaust clean are also considerations. That said, I too would be interested in any data Steve has. Adjusting the target AFR is fairly easy once I have a running system. >Hi Earnest, > >I don't want to (mis)quote Steve Boese, but I think he did some >research on the most efficient point to run the mixture, & I think it >was something near 50 degrees lean of peak. Leaner meant less fuel >efficiency. (Steve?) Does that conflict with what you're planning? It >sounds like you could be running at much leaner than that in some >situations, and there doesn't seem to be a provision to vary rpm while >maintaining the most efficient mixture point. > >Am I missing something? > >Charlie