X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-gg0-f180.google.com ([209.85.161.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTPS id 5545866 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 16 May 2012 15:39:57 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.180; envelope-from=dmlobner@gmail.com Received: by ggnf1 with SMTP id f1so1092874ggn.25 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 12:39:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=1pECbr64uu4DFwNF4opsAvshmF80cpbqzuvNRjBb/J4=; b=OraiS9X7AH4K5UBXibUgvbG4O5qUDCe2qSxwiplJORfRdYLOTVJ6+Jyepc2wH/W1IJ D4/ejnCffrSej27TvBsmce8kaB+GPZEnURXkwFNXbDxCyVqP/mBhcpLlisWKNqnRgW4y kV04F2fGhHRk8S1XOH4aSM5nEPTd78YhiG1vArM0MdmEss3CvK63rrXDcP4BfntPULxE K69zC7LtPDO9pdAC5HLe1o0v1j/dFRwResv+WfUPvwY+OJDkMNEcqNYjqBXQ9pqKlGdn +wAVmcdyebqVXtigWIca7HEY1KAC8ioGl1uOJLQHMMoONrOLqbejSWpuRUDDLZi4Q1t7 HmTg== Received: by 10.43.126.1 with SMTP id gu1mr2829678icc.6.1337197159172; Wed, 16 May 2012 12:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.2.102] (108-233-152-60.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net. [108.233.152.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ud8sm4279335igb.4.2012.05.16.12.39.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 May 2012 12:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Why Apha N?? : [FlyRotary] Re: With great power comes...the ability to muck things up References: From: dmlobner@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 14:39:16 -0500 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Ernest, What version of mega squirt are you running? Dustin On May 16, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Ernest Christley wrote: > Ed Anderson wrote: >> Good to hear you are back in business, Ernest >>=20 >> I do have one question - why did you switch from Speed Density to Alpha >> N. For sea level applications high power operations I can sort of see >> using Alpha N - but for aircraft application I would have assumed Speed >> Density would be a better choice. Would be interested in why you went >> with Alpha N >>=20 >=20 > I don't have a mixture control. The throttle plate is fully opened at 50%= of the throttle lever's movement. The design > is to run the engine as close to lean cutoff as it will smoothly run up to= point where the plate is fully open. Then I > start making it richer, quickly skipping the peak EGT with a retarded spar= k, until I'm at 12.5 AFR or whatever makes max > power when I have the throttle full forward. >=20 > To accomplish all this, I will actually have to use a mixture of Alpha-N (= AN) and Speed-Density (SD). The MegaSquirt > lets you combine a primary and a secondary tune table with various percent= ages of each. Backing up one more step, you > have to have a basic tune on each method before you can sanely combine the= m. >=20 > So here is the game plan. >=20 > 1) I make AN work as described. Lean up to 50% throttle travel, then go r= ich. I misspoke in the previous email. AN > is what I have working now. As long as I stay at sea-level pressure, this= will work reasonably well. >=20 > 2) I create a separate tune using SD. This tune will run at best power ac= ross the throttle control range. Once the > throttle control hits 50% and the plate is completely open, the throttle w= ill add no more power; the computer will be > injecting the same amount of fuel from 50% to 100% of the throttle travel,= because it will be ingesting the same amount > of air. >=20 > 3) Now I combine the two. Conceptually, the SD tune will modify the AN tu= ne to compensate for density altitude. *When > I'm strafing Myrtle Beach at 75% throttle to impress all the bikini clad b= eauties, the SD tune sees sea-level pressure > and tells the computer to give 100% VE. The AN tune sees the throttle at 7= 5% and tells the computer to give 75% VE. > The result is the computer give 75% VE. Hot and flustered from the bikini= clad beauties, and having been slapped on the > back of the head from my wife not appreciating them, I climb to the cooler= air at 12,000. SD sees half the pressure > 50%, so it tells the computer to give 50% VE. I still have the throttle a= t 75%, so AN says 75%. The result will be the > computer sets the VE at 37.5, and turns the injectors on just long enough t= o give me 75% of the power available at that > altitude. >=20 > TBD are what the SD tune looks like (I can pull numbers from the AN tune t= o get started), and what the combination looks > like. >=20 >=20 > *All numbers represented are fictional. Any resemblance to actual numbers= is purely coincidental. >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List= .html