Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #57265
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: RD1B Failure
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:46:16 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Well, Dave,  I must say you time your failures much better than I do.
 
  Your's appear to have the good manners to wait until you are back on the ground {:>).  Actually, its clear your protocol of checking things after a flight is what has "saved" my glider record {:<(
 
Actually, I am impressed that the RD seems to be fairly robust in failure modes - in that it appears to keep functioning (more or less), until you are back on the ground. 
 
That kind of HP and the G loading is apparently pushing the RD to its limits.  But, as I am reminded, its only until the limits of anything are exceeded that you realllllyyyyy know what the limits are - all else is theoretically {:>).  As we both know, it is generally the racer who finds those limits by pushing the envelop.
 
So Thanks for that valuable information and the seat cushions it may have taken to get it.
 
Ed
 
Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:32 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: RD1B Failure

Hi Ed,
Yes you have missed quite a saga and several failures.  The underlying cause of that one seems to be that the auto flex plate fatigued and broke, leading to the pin failure (oversized pin).  I replaced the flex plate with a modified 4130 flywheel that seems much better suited to the purpose than the flex-plate.  

I then had another failure of the RD-1B when the oiling system did not seem up to the task during my qualifying run at Reno (clocked at 229 mph while pulling 2Gs around the course).  Of course, I was probably making over 300 h.p. and pushing the RD-1B beyond its design limits.  Not to mention that my oil temps were not being measured well and have probably always been higher than I thought.  I am guessing oil temps were in excess of 250F when the main plain bearing in the RD-1B seized (after landing).

I have since had another failure.  This time the sun gear pin seems to have simply fallen out!  Well, it fell out as much as it could until the housing would not let it completely go, until the last little piece of the pin sheared off.  This was amazingly, again, discovered on the ground after a long over-mountainous-terrain flight to Las Vegas.  

So despite 4 RD-1B failures in 3 different places all in 2011 (the pin twice, the flex plate, and the main bearing - probably all related to racing in Reno that year) I have not made any ground toward threatening your rotary glider time record.  :-)

-- 
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net 

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
Hey, Dave
 
Glad you didn't further challenge my Glider record {:>). 
 
 I was thinking that perhaps the stress of the Reno Races might be a contributing factor to the gear box problem.  Particularly if the shear pin was designed for a N/A 13B.  Anyhow, hopefully, it is that simple a cause and you find no further damage.
 
Send from Lake of The Ozarks resort - looking out over the waves and reclining in a lounge chair in the cool morning breeze
 
Ed
 
Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com

Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:58 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] RD1B Failure

Today had a failure of my RD-1B gear drive.  It couldn't have happened at a better time, I was just taxiing off the runway at my home airport.  I just finished flying 200 mi. to Santa Paula to help Paul with the getting of Mike Wills airplane back into the air.  Flight home was otherwise unevenful and beautiful.  I didn't bother taking it apart, but will do so tomorrow.  Feels like I may have broken the sun gear pin again but will have to wait until tomorrow to be sure.  The strange thing is that nothing particularly stressed it.

Sorry there is not cause I can report... a little suspense until tomorrow.

--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net




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