X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.129.170.194] (HELO VIRCOM1.fcdata.private) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.3) with ESMTP id 5324787 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:22:13 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Received: from FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE (unverified [172.16.5.23]) by VIRCOM1.fcdata.private (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.1024.13396) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:21:15 -0600 X-Modus-BlackList: 172.16.5.23=OK;cbarber@texasattorney.net=OK X-Modus-RBL: 172.16.5.23=Excluded X-Modus-Trusted: 172.16.5.23=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Received: from FCD-MAIL05.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::809d:a06e:5913:452e]) by FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::697f:d6aa:b87:78d8%17]) with mapi id 14.01.0339.001; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:21:00 -0600 From: Chris Barber To: Rotary motors in aircraft CC: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbo 3-rotor Lancair For Sale Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbo 3-rotor Lancair For Sale Thread-Index: AQHMwZYjw0/vldpwfkm93t1cdipxsJXpq3e4 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:20:35 +0000 Message-ID: <4009760B-7EB8-441E-8722-86070527F5FD@texasattorney.net> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4009760B7EB8441E872286070527F5FDtexasattorneynet_" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_000_4009760B7EB8441E872286070527F5FDtexasattorneynet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And....no worries if you just build the entire thing!!!!! :-D Sent from my iPhone 4 On Dec 23, 2011, at 11:12 AM, "Chris Barber" > wrote: Also, regarding the major portion rule, remember what is excluded. Things l= ike engine, avionics and interior install. Sent from my iPhone 4 On Dec 23, 2011, at 10:45 AM, "Bill Bradburry" > wrote: Any living person can make any installations or repairs to an experimental = plane. The only thing that they need the repairman=92s certificate for is = the conditional inspection. That can also be done with an A&P. (IA not re= quired) To get the repairman=92s you have to build 51% of the plane. It would be e= asier and cheaper to get an A&P than do that on an already built plane if i= t would even be possible. Bill B ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Beh= alf Of Mark Steitle Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:03 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbo 3-rotor Lancair For Sale Tom, Thanks for the insight. A friend of mine sent me the link. I took him for= a ride in my ES and he really liked how it flew. From the pics, I too spotted the location of the intercooler and wondered w= hy he located it there. Not too efficient way back near the firewall. It = was probably the only place it would fit once everything else was in place. The intake looks to me to be custom welded aluminum. You can't quite make = it out, but it looks like he may have used the lower portion of the 20b cas= t aluminum intake and fabricated the rest from aluminum tube. Also, the panel shows a Blue Mountain EFIS. As you know, BMA is out of bus= iness, so that would have to be replaced too. If he's already used the free FAA repairman's certificate, then it would co= st someone a small fortune to get it finished up, unless the buyer was an A= &P. Could someone make a "major modification" like replacing the engine wi= th a certified engine, then reapply for a new airworthiness certificate (an= d repairman's certificate)? Mark On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Thomas Giddings > wrote: Mark: This Lancair has been for sale this year without the engine for 70K. = I called on a similar add on Barnstormers and was told the engine had been = removed and the engine had been sold. The guy I talked to on the phone said= they could not keep the engine cool enough to fly it. So they gave up and = he told me they had a Continental sourced that could be bought with the air= frame. I was interested in buying the engine as it looks like it has the Mi= stral intake. I liked the intercooler as well. Although it looks like it is= in a Bad spot to get heat soaked. Tom Giddings Avionics Sales MIDWEST AVIONICS 200 Hardy Roberts Dr PO Box 219 West Paducah,KY 42086 877.904.9966 Toll Free 727.858.1772 Mobile 270.744.3466 Fax tom@midwestaviation.net Online Store www.midwest-avionics.com On Dec 23, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Mark Steitle wrote: Anyone know whose project this is. Looks like it could be a good buy for s= omeone. http://aerolist.org/view/3B9AD0A5/LANCAIR_ES Mark --_000_4009760B7EB8441E872286070527F5FDtexasattorneynet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And....no worries if you just build the entire thing!!!!! :-D

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Dec 23, 2011, at 11:12 AM, "Chris Barber" <cbarber@texasattorney.net> wrote:

Also, regarding the major portion rule, remember what is excluded. Thi= ngs like engine, avionics and interior install. 

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Dec 23, 2011, at 10:45 AM, "Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Any living person can make any install= ations or repairs to an experimental plane.  The only thing that they = need the repairman=92s certificate for is the conditional inspection.  That can also be done with an A&a= mp;P.  (IA not required)

 

To get the repairman=92s you have to b= uild 51% of the plane.  It would be easier and cheaper to get an A&= ;P than do that on an already built plane if it would even be possible.

 

Bill B

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mai= lto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle Sent: Friday, December 23, 2= 011 10:03 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Tur= bo 3-rotor Lancair For Sale

 

Tom, 

 

Thanks for the insight.  A friend of mine sent me the link. &n= bsp;I took him for a ride in my ES and he really liked how it flew.  <= o:p>

 

From the pics, I too spotted the location of the intercooler and wo= ndered why he located it there.  Not too efficient way back near the f= irewall.  It was probably the only place it would fit once everything else was in place.  

 

The intake looks to me to be custom welded aluminum.  You can'= t quite make it out, but it looks like he may have used the lower portion o= f the 20b cast aluminum intake and fabricated the rest from aluminum tube.

 

Also, the panel shows a Blue Mountain EFIS.  As you know, BMA = is out of business, so that would have to be replaced too.  

 

If he's already used the free FAA repairman's certificate, then it = would cost someone a small fortune to get it finished up, unless the buyer = was an A&P.  Could someone make a "major modification" like replacing the engine with a cer= tified engine, then reapply for a new airworthiness certificate (and repair= man's certificate)?

 

Mark 

  

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Thomas Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net> wrote:

Mark: This Lancair has been for sale this year without the engine f= or 70K. I called on a similar add on Barnstormers and was told the engine h= ad been removed and the engine had been sold. The guy I talked to on the phone said they could not= keep the engine cool enough to fly it. So they gave up and he told me they= had a Continental sourced that could be bought with the airframe. I was in= terested in buying the engine as it looks like it has the Mistral intake. I liked the intercooler as well. = Although it looks like it is in a Bad spot to get heat soaked. 

=
Tom Giddings
Avionics Sales
MIDWEST AVIONICS
200 Hardy Roberts Dr
PO Box 219
West Paducah,KY 42086
8= 77.904.9966 Toll Free
7= 27.858.1772 Mobile
2= 70.744.3466 Fax
tom@midwestavi= ation.net
Online Store
www.midwest-a= vionics.com



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On Dec 23, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Mark Steitle wrote:<= /font>



Anyone know whose project this is.  Looks like it could be a g= ood buy for someone.  

 

 

Mark

 

 

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