X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.143] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5268116 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 13:30:37 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.143; envelope-from=CozyGirrrl@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pB2ITuhq024752 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:29:56 -0500 Received: from core-dsc002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.69]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D6B1BE00009B for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:29:55 -0500 (EST) From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Message-ID: <1e5a1.50767c10.3c0a7323@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:29:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e5a1.50767c10.3c0a7323_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-Originating-IP: [70.242.146.38] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1322850596; bh=TIRvjTBygAxnFN4FgRkeK+98InE8W/VcneRWxexRCU0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QwRqpKThR/8pqiNjrNnnthQneprW7DMF+GmfDJeW8QXg1BKyZJOUDAtQ4I2E9mczF QnaAn1WDLomR0hcjBgwqP89eNljadeThvxrLB5cMhEULJuGToqZmGwAGOwBSvCObCV GNN8BnZbZtHIKGSjzDX4w2fPQqwRCg8vMQsN0Jos= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:495565952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29084ed919232bc2 --part1_1e5a1.50767c10.3c0a7323_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, not a slight against Velocities. Yes I have flown a Cozy, not a Velocity. Those that I have talked to that have -hours- in both say it is the difference between an MG and a SUV. Nothing wrong with SUV's. It is just a simple fact of the matter that the Cozy in a smaller plane, add weight to it and it does not perform like a well built lighter version of the same plane. Some Long-E guys have an obsession about weight to the point that they leave the interior surfaces raw, zolotone adds weight, they use minimal upholstery etc for fear it will be heavy and fly like a Cozy. There are 700 lb Long-ezs out there. Chrissi & Randi _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 12/2/2011 10:59:59 A.M. Central Standard Time, cbarber@texasattorney.net writes: Chrissi said....... "It would be doable but then it would fly like a Velocity." NICE.....real nice........ So? Just how many of y'all out there have actually flown a VELOCITY and a Co-Z, Hmmmmmmm? Of course I gotta fly mine to before I really comment. I am preparing things to call a DAR though (keeping my fingers crossed) Chris Barber Houston VELOCITY N17010 ____________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of CozyGirrrl@aol.com [CozyGirrrl@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:26 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy Set-in tanks would lose a lot of fuel space and add a lot of weight. Canard aircraft performance is directly related to weight, also the eight of everything as it moves away from the centerline adversely affects roll rate. It would be doable but then it would fly like a Velocity. Chrissi & Randi _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 12/2/2011 9:51:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, echristley@att.net writes: I reluctantly made a decision to not trust sealing a gas tank to any petrochemical that is shipped to me in a liquid form. You never know what all those petrochemical engineers in Congress will decide mandate to be put into our fuel next. So I welded a fuel tank and glassed that into the place that was designed for a fiberglass tank. I would have preferred buying a premade poly-ethylene or aluminum racing tank, but I couldn't find one that even came close to fitting. Aren't the Cozy tanks just big cubes sitting inside the wing roots? Would it be safer, and possibly easier, to buy a tank, sit it in the, and glass it into place? Bill Schertz wrote: > There are two areas that may influence this. > > On my plane, > 1. I did the Jeffco coating, but when you glue the closeout piece in > place, the seam is not covered, so I worried that that would be a point > of attack. > 2. Another builder and I did a test, I coated samples of fiberglass > with Jeffco and the structural epoxy, and he did an immersion test in > gasoline with ethanol. The regular epoxy (Aeropoxy) flaked off rapidly, > the Jeffco did not, however it DID swell, and gain weight, which > indicated to me that it was letting some of the solvent through to the > underlying epoxy, therefore I decided that I could not trust it with > ethanol. > > Bill Schertz > KIS Cruiser #4045 > N343BS > Phase one testing Completed > > *From:* Steve Brooks > *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:51 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy > > > Bill, > > Apparently I did get some Ethanol. I had used the Jeffco sealant on the > tanks - 3 coats, when I built it. Supposedly it is impervious to most > anything, but apparently that is either not correct, or I missed a > pinhole somewhere. > > > > Steve > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *On Behalf Of *Bill Schertz > *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:18 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Steve Brooks Cozy > > > > Steve, > > Were you running Auto fuel with Ethanol in your tanks? > > > > Bill Schertz > KIS Cruiser #4045 > N343BS > Phase one testing Completed > > > > *From:* Steve Brooks > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:29 AM > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Plane on Mythbusters > > > > Hi Kelly, > > Yeas, I've been quiet for a while, but still lurking. It has been 2 > years since I last flew the Cozy. I had an engine issue, and I had the > plane in the garage for almost a year swapping the engine, and adding > the EM3. I ended up changing jobs and moving about an hour away, so I > moved the plane back to the airport before I was quite ready, and then > while tuning, I noticed that I had developed a leak in the left fuel tank. > > > > At this point I need to get the plane moved to my new house, so that I > can open up the tank, and repair any damaged foam, and re-glass and > paint it. I should already have done it, but between work, and home > projects, I haven't taken the time. I also need to arrange with a > wrecker company or someone to move it. > > > > I did buy another plane though, a Socata Tampico, so that I could still > do some flying. The plan is to fix the Cozy, and then sell one of > them. I prefer to keep the Cozy, but the wife really like the Socata, > so I'm not yet sure how that will work out. > > > > Steve Brooks > -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --part1_1e5a1.50767c10.3c0a7323_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris, not a slight against Velocities. Yes I have flown a Cozy, not a= =20 Velocity. Those that I have talked to that have -hours- in both say it is t= he=20 difference between an MG and a SUV. Nothing wrong with SUV's. It is just a= =20 simple fact of the matter that the Cozy in a smaller plane, add weight to i= t and=20 it does not perform like a well built lighter version of the same plane. So= me=20 Long-E guys have an obsession about weight to the point that they leave the= =20 interior surfaces raw, zolotone adds weight, they use minimal upholstery et= c for=20 fear it will be heavy and fly like a Cozy. There are 700 lb Long-ezs o= ut=20 there.
 
Chrissi &=20 Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
C= G=20 Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop=
 
In a message dated 12/2/2011 10:59:59 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 cbarber@texasattorney.net writes:
=

Chrissi said.......

 

"It would be doable but then it would fly like a Velocity."

 

NICE.....real nice........

 

So?  Just how many of y'all out there have actually flown a VELOC= ITY=20 and a Co-Z, Hmmmmmmm?

 

Of course I gotta fly mine to before I really comment.&nbs= p; I=20 am preparing things to call a DAR though (keeping my fingers crossed)

 

Chris Barber

Houston

VELOCITY N17010

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.= net] on=20 behalf of CozyGirrrl@aol.com [CozyGirrrl@aol.com]
Sent: Friday,= =20 December 02, 2011 10:26 AM
To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks=20 Cozy

Set-in tanks would lose a lot of fuel space and add a lot of weight.= =20 Canard aircraft performance is directly related to weight, also the eight= of=20 everything as it moves away from the centerline adversely affects roll ra= te.=20 It would be doable but then it would fly like a Velocity.
 
Chrissi & Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
CG Products, Custom Aircraft=20 Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
 
In a message dated 12/2/2011 9:51:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 echristley@att.net writes:
I=20 reluctantly made a decision to not trust sealing a gas tank to any=20 petrochemical that is shipped to me in a liquid
form.  You neve= r=20 know what all those petrochemical engineers in Congress will decide man= date=20 to be put into our fuel
next.  So I welded a fuel tank and glas= sed=20 that into the place that was designed for a fiberglass tank.  I wo= uld=20 have
preferred buying a premade poly-ethylene or aluminum racing tan= k,=20 but I couldn't find one that even came close to fitting.

Aren't = the=20 Cozy tanks just big cubes sitting inside the wing roots?  Would it= be=20 safer, and possibly easier, to buy a
tank, sit it in the, and glass = it=20 into place?


Bill Schertz wrote:
> There are two areas = that=20 may influence this.
> 
> On my plane,
> 1. = ;=20   I did the Jeffco coating, but when you glue the closeout piece= =20 in
> place, the seam is not covered, so I worried that that would= be a=20 point
> of attack.
> 2.    Another builder and I = did a=20 test, I coated samples of fiberglass
> with Jeffco and the struct= ural=20 epoxy, and he did an immersion test in
> gasoline with ethanol. T= he=20 regular epoxy (Aeropoxy) flaked off rapidly,
> the Jeffco did not= ,=20 however it DID swell, and gain weight, which
> indicated to me th= at it=20 was letting some of the solvent through to the
> underlying epoxy= ,=20 therefore I decided that I could not trust it with
>=20 ethanol.
> 
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser=20 #4045
> N343BS
> Phase one testing Completed
> = =20
> *From:* Steve Brooks <mailto:cozy4pilot@gmail.com>
&g= t;=20 *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:51 PM
> *To:* Rotary motors= in=20 aircraft <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> *Subject:*= =20 [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy
> 
>
>=20 Bill,
>
> Apparently I did get some Ethanol.  I had u= sed=20 the Jeffco sealant on the
> tanks - 3 coats, when I built it.&nbs= p;=20 Supposedly it is impervious to most
> anything, but apparently th= at is=20 either not correct, or I missed a
> pinhole somewhere.
>=20
> 
>
> Steve
>
> 
>= =20
> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> *On Behalf Of *Bill=20 Schertz
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:18 AM
> *To= :*=20 Rotary motors in aircraft
> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Steve Brooks= =20 Cozy
>
> 
>
> Steve,
>
> W= ere=20 you running Auto fuel with Ethanol in your tanks?
>
> = ;=20
>
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser #4045
>=20 N343BS
> Phase one testing Completed
>
> 
&= gt;=20
> *From:* Steve Brooks <mailto:cozy4pilot@gmail.com>
&g= t;=20
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:29 AM
>
> *= To:*=20 Rotary motors in aircraft <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>>=20
> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Plane on Mythbusters
>= =20
> 
>
> Hi Kelly,
>
> Yeas, I've = been=20 quiet for a while, but still lurking.  It has been 2
> years= =20 since I last flew the Cozy.  I had an engine issue, and I had=20 the
> plane in the garage for almost a year swapping the engine, = and=20 adding
> the EM3.  I ended up changing jobs and moving about= an=20 hour away, so I
> moved the plane back to the airport before I wa= s=20 quite ready, and then
> while tuning, I noticed that I had develo= ped a=20 leak in the left fuel tank.
>
> 
>
> A= t=20 this point I need to get the plane moved to my new house, so that I
= >=20 can open up the tank, and repair any damaged foam, and re-glass and
= >=20 paint it.  I should already have done it, but between work, and=20 home
> projects,  I haven't taken the time.  I also nee= d to=20 arrange with a
> wrecker company or someone to move it.
>= =20
> 
>
> I did buy another plane though, a Soca= ta=20 Tampico, so that I could still
> do some flying.  The plan i= s to=20 fix the Cozy, and then sell one of
> them.  I prefer to keep= the=20 Cozy, but the wife really like the Socata,
> so I'm not yet sure = how=20 that will work out.
>
> 
>
> Steve=20 Brooks
>


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