X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm15-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.175] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with SMTP id 5268026 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:21:59 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.175; envelope-from=roundrocktom@yahoo.com Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2011 17:21:25 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.11] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2011 17:21:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2011 17:21:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 774314.13885.bm@omp1011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 85048 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2011 17:21:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1322846484; bh=4iX9DgOYSSRlT/LpkDfOR0qjkYhFyI6nDmzv326Ci1c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1tlJa+5mt3cAzYHD9SUQVwJkQz1IsOg5YA26LTyyXVS/OEzZi1Yf7xEm573AIoPkYqTn97Olug6mVX4G40lgjY3mu0EseG23vdD6Jopxg8k+t64x9tKt4L2p5X1cHQiZPrxdg2CIc+Jk/8bYe3YVUpcgKRCiTPuzF77Hndm6NjQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VsSEWCMu0Kyri7QqMq72fft1gkpBpjwMs23KbZi6nkNjyeBB5t7Xaq9MUvm3w73cqU1gA89067VpLOL511mdWZ+KzukacKF1UJ1prcV+/UWL819Z1WwSfL8PLCH5rEe4VLlpjqkgwf+xiYRSPmdb03hoASaOGIsOWcM67Publrg=; X-YMail-OSG: L3cwBZIVM1m7azaTD_PQBeo4yItkSLrGFD6Swlma.ldKgKb ofknwfblWDI2mdgOVExC145Jd.y9Od16o4UNgfZfds31v5T5pxO2M3KXpixk vLCQZR.g3VyWXYFOspGLUOjTKoiVOv2iyJLsYja_.lor_rSH97WGZjRlYVRc mg4diHSZcc0HejKsGH1NLIAG9K5mppUlFWdWXoJQAG7t_OPmf.xSo6SJpIcm 5hjAoONLR5JDX367k0Lw68EqLnSrs1hoWKwQPXvoyAwyJ0DOu7sNY7iUuP7Q k_jVVj5V_vDp_Vp3HVfYPgNX7NrkxEjUj724HSjB1WSmotWfRuHDfeDOFY8U NRiUjMu8U2BhPMrcnli.hy6dy38cbnX5wyeBorAjXF.2Lsu0ApRj68O_GKaH GgwA_hKBpEHwfZCuondtKMpEB8kE_DISrQisiqPH4PRZzLxMdmwSY3hRZiSE m61V8WhzUQlIUqpiLtQPTpVBSRe1DAQsA4qNk7b7H_h3iYBDESqP6aw9WX_j U6A0rdKMsGve4NCiwSt1XzhbbULXWdwb60oGvpi0dFkqa_KQl13qJ17dZaqb WnyCl4pp16CX00AIdMD5mzVOgArs- Received: from [216.52.185.72] by web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:21:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: Message-ID: <1322846484.68103.YahooMailNeo@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:21:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Walter Reply-To: Tom Walter Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1986338686-968167124-1322846484=:68103" --1986338686-968167124-1322846484=:68103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris,=0A=0AJust get it flying and enjoy it!=0A=0AI still remember a friend= s comment about no fuel worries.... as they had a 160 gallon bladder tank i= n addition the theTwin Engine Defiant's 115 gallon tanks.=A0 About an hour = after departing the engines quite due to fuel starvation. That got their at= tention as the destination was Australia.=0A=0AYes, this was two hours out = of Hawaii... Heading toward Australia.=A0 Glad to report they got the issue= resolved, nd hada safe trip rest of the way.=0A=0AOh... my Bearhawk uses t= anks in the aluminum wings.=A0 Adds weight and little complexity, but one l= ess worry.=A0 =0A=0A=0ATom=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________= _=0A From: Chris Barber =0ATo: Rotary motors in = aircraft =0ASent: Friday, December 2, 2011 10= :59 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy=0A =0A=0A =0AChrissi=A0= said.......=0A=A0=0A"It would be doable but then it would fly like a Veloci= ty."=0A=A0=0ANICE.....real nice........=0A=A0=0ASo?=A0 Just how many of y'a= ll out there have actually flown a VELOCITY and a Co-Z, Hmmmmmmm?=0A=A0=0AO= f course I=A0gotta fly mine to before I really comment.=A0 I am preparing t= hings to call a DAR though (keeping my fingers crossed)=0A=A0=0AChris Barbe= r=0AHouston=0AVELOCITY N17010=0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AF= rom: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of C= ozyGirrrl@aol.com [CozyGirrrl@aol.com]=0ASent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10= :26 AM=0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Bro= oks Cozy=0A=0A=0ASet-in tanks would lose a lot of fuel space and add a lot = of weight. Canard aircraft performance is directly related to weight, also = the eight of everything as it moves away from the centerline adversely affe= cts roll rate. It would be doable but then it would fly like a Velocity.=0A= =A0=0AChrissi & Randi=0Awww.CozyGirrrl.com=0ACG Products, Custom Aircraft H= ardware=0AChairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop=0A=0A=A0=0AIn a message dat= ed 12/2/2011 9:51:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, echristley@att.net writes:= =0AI reluctantly made a decision to not trust sealing a gas tank to any pet= rochemical that is shipped to me in a liquid=0A>form.=A0 You never know wha= t all those petrochemical engineers in Congress will decide mandate to be p= ut into our fuel=0A>next.=A0 So I welded a fuel tank and glassed that into = the place that was designed for a fiberglass tank.=A0 I would have=0A>prefe= rred buying a premade poly-ethylene or aluminum racing tank, but I couldn't= find one that even came close to fitting.=0A>=0A>Aren't the Cozy tanks jus= t big cubes sitting inside the wing roots?=A0 Would it be safer, and possib= ly easier, to buy a=0A>tank, sit it in the, and glass it into place?=0A>=0A= >=0A>Bill Schertz wrote:=0A>> There are two areas that may influence this.= =0A>>=A0 =0A>> On my plane,=0A>> 1.=A0 =A0 I did the Jeffco coating, but wh= en you glue the closeout piece in=0A>> place, the seam is not covered, so I= worried that that would be a point=0A>> of attack.=0A>> 2.=A0 =A0 Another = builder and I did a test, I coated samples of fiberglass=0A>> with Jeffco a= nd the structural epoxy, and he did an immersion test in=0A>> gasoline with= ethanol. The regular epoxy (Aeropoxy) flaked off rapidly,=0A>> the Jeffco = did not, however it DID swell, and gain weight, which=0A>> indicated to me = that it was letting some of the solvent through to the=0A>> underlying epox= y, therefore I decided that I could not trust it with=0A>> ethanol.=0A>>=A0= =0A>> Bill Schertz=0A>> KIS Cruiser #4045=0A>> N343BS=0A>> Phase one testi= ng Completed=0A>>=A0 =0A>> *From:* Steve Brooks =0A>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:51 PM=0A>> *To:* Rotary motor= s in aircraft =0A>> *Subject:* [FlyRota= ry] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy=0A>>=A0 =0A>> =0A>> Bill,=0A>> =0A>> Apparently I= did get some Ethanol.=A0 I had used the Jeffco sealant on the=0A>> tanks -= 3 coats, when I built it.=A0 Supposedly it is impervious to most=0A>> anyt= hing, but apparently that is either not correct, or I missed a=0A>> pinhole= somewhere.=0A>> =0A>>=A0 =0A>> =0A>> Steve=0A>> =0A>>=A0 =0A>> =0A>> *From= :* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=0A>> *On = Behalf Of *Bill Schertz=0A>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:18 AM=0A= >> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft=0A>> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Steve Brooks= Cozy=0A>> =0A>>=A0 =0A>> =0A>> Steve,=0A>> =0A>> Were you running Auto fue= l with Ethanol in your tanks?=0A>> =0A>>=A0 =0A>> =0A>> Bill Schertz=0A>> K= IS Cruiser #4045=0A>> N343BS=0A>> Phase one testing Completed=0A>> =0A>>=A0= =0A>> =0A>> *From:* Steve Brooks =0A>> =0A>> = *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:29 AM=0A>> =0A>> *To:* Rotary motors = in aircraft =0A>> =0A>> *Subject:* [Fly= Rotary] Re: Rotary Plane on Mythbusters=0A>> =0A>>=A0 =0A>> =0A>> Hi Kelly,= =0A>> =0A>> Yeas, I've been quiet for a while, but still lurking.=A0 It has= been 2=0A>> years since I last flew the Cozy.=A0 I had an engine issue, an= d I had the=0A>> plane in the garage for almost a year swapping the engine,= and adding=0A>> the EM3.=A0 I ended up changing jobs and moving about an h= our away, so I=0A>> moved the plane back to the airport before I was quite = ready, and then=0A>> while tuning, I noticed that I had developed a leak in= the left fuel tank. =0A>> =0A>>=A0 =0A>> =0A>> At this point I need to get= the plane moved to my new house, so that I=0A>> can open up the tank, and = repair any damaged foam, and re-glass and=0A>> paint it.=A0 I should alread= y have done it, but between work, and home=0A>> projects,=A0 I haven't take= n the time.=A0 I also need to arrange with a=0A>> wrecker company or someon= e to move it.=0A>> =0A>>=A0 =0A>> =0A>> I did buy another plane though, a S= ocata Tampico, so that I could still=0A>> do some flying.=A0 The plan is to= fix the Cozy, and then sell one of=0A>> them.=A0 I prefer to keep the Cozy= , but the wife really like the Socata,=0A>> so I'm not yet sure how that wi= ll work out. =0A>> =0A>>=A0 =0A>> =0A>> Steve Brooks=0A>> =0A>=0A>=0A>--=0A= >Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>Archive and UnSub:=A0=A0 http://= mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A> --1986338686-968167124-1322846484=:68103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris,

Just get it flying and enjo= y it!

I still remember a= friends comment about no fuel worries.... as they had a 160 gallon bladder= tank in addition the the Twin Engine Defiant's 115 gallon tan= ks.  About an hour after departing the engines quite due to fuel starv= ation. That got their attention as the destination was Australia.

Yes, this was two hours out of Ha= waii... Heading toward Australia.  Glad to report they got the issue r= esolved, nd had a safe trip rest of the way.
=
Oh... my Bearhawk uses tanks in the alumi= num wings.  Adds weight and little complexity, but one less worry. 

Tom

From: Chris Barber= <cbarber@texasattorney.net>
Sent: Friday, Dec= ember 2, 2011 10:59 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy
=0A
=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A
=0A
=0A
Chri= ssi said.......
=0A
 
=0A
"It would be doable b= ut then it would fly like a Velocity."
=0A
 
=0A
NIC= E.....real nice........
=0A
 
=0A
So?  Just how= many of y'all out there have actually flown a VELOCITY and a Co-Z, Hmmmmmm= m?
=0A
 
=0A
Of course I&nbs= p;gotta fly mine to before I really comment.  = I am preparing things to call a DAR though (keeping my fingers crossed)=0A
 
=0A
Chris Barber
=0A
Houston
=0AVELOCITY N17010
=0A
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=0A<= div style=3D"DIRECTION:ltr;" id=3D"yiv1804316093divRpF655338">From: Rotary motors in aircr= aft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of CozyGirrrl@aol.com [CozyGirr= rl@aol.com]
=0ASent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:26 AM
=0A= To: Rotary motors in aircraft
=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ste= ve Brooks Cozy
=0A
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=0A
=0A
=0A=
Set-in tanks would lose a lot of fuel space and add a lot of weight. C= anard aircraft performance is directly related to weight, also the eight of= everything as it moves away from the centerline adversely affects roll rat= e. It would be doable but then it=0A would fly like a Velocity.
=0A 
=0A
Chrissi & Randi=0Awww.CozyGirrrl.com
=0ACG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
= =0AChairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
=0A
 
=0A
=0A=
In a message dated 12/2/2011 9:51:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, echri= stley@att.net writes:
=0A
=0AI reluctantly made = a decision to not trust sealing a gas tank to any petrochemical that is shi= pped to me in a liquid
=0Aform.  You never know what all those petr= ochemical engineers in Congress will decide mandate to be put into our fuel=
=0Anext.  So I welded a fuel tank and glassed that into the place = that was designed for a fiberglass tank.  I would have
=0Apreferred= buying a premade poly-ethylene or aluminum racing tank, but I couldn't fin= d one that even came close to fitting.
=0A
=0AAren't the Cozy tanks j= ust big cubes sitting inside the wing roots?  Would it be safer, and p= ossibly easier, to buy a
=0Atank, sit it in the, and glass it into place= ?
=0A
=0A
=0ABill Schertz wrote:
=0A> There are two areas th= at may influence this.
=0A> 
=0A> On my plane,
=0A>= 1.    I did the Jeffco coating, but when you glue the closeout p= iece in
=0A> place, the seam is not covered, so I worried that that w= ould be a point
=0A> of attack.
=0A> 2.    Another bu= ilder and I did a test, I coated samples of fiberglass
=0A> with Jeff= co and the structural epoxy, and he did an immersion test in
=0A> gas= oline with ethanol. The regular epoxy (Aeropoxy) flaked off rapidly,
=0A= > the Jeffco did not, however it DID swell, and gain weight, which
= =0A> indicated to me that it was letting some of the solvent through to = the
=0A> underlying epoxy, therefore I decided that I could not trust= it with
=0A> ethanol.
=0A> 
=0A> Bill Schertz
= =0A> KIS Cruiser #4045
=0A> N343BS
=0A> Phase one testing Co= mpleted
=0A> 
=0A> *From:* Steve Brooks <mailto:cozy4p= ilot@gmail.com>
=0A> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:51 PM=0A> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net>
=0A> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy
=0A>= ; 
=0A>
=0A> Bill,
=0A>
=0A> Apparently I d= id get some Ethanol.  I had used the Jeffco sealant on the
=0A> = tanks - 3 coats, when I built it.  Supposedly it is impervious to most=
=0A> anything, but apparently that is either not correct, or I misse= d a
=0A> pinhole somewhere.
=0A>
=0A> 
=0A> =
=0A> Steve
=0A>
=0A> 
=0A>
=0A> *Fro= m:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
=0A&g= t; *On Behalf Of *Bill Schertz
=0A> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 20= 11 7:18 AM
=0A> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft
=0A> *Subject:*= [FlyRotary] Steve Brooks Cozy
=0A>
=0A> 
=0A> =0A> Steve,
=0A>
=0A> Were you running Auto fuel with Etha= nol in your tanks?
=0A>
=0A> 
=0A>
=0A> Bil= l Schertz
=0A> KIS Cruiser #4045
=0A> N343BS
=0A> Phase o= ne testing Completed
=0A>
=0A> 
=0A>
=0A> *= From:* Steve Brooks <mailto:cozy4pilot@gmail.com>
=0A>
=0A&= gt; *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:29 AM
=0A>
=0A> *To:= * Rotary motors in aircraft <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
= =0A>
=0A> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Plane on Mythbusters<= br>=0A>
=0A> 
=0A>
=0A> Hi Kelly,
=0A> <= br>=0A> Yeas, I've been quiet for a while, but still lurking.  It h= as been 2
=0A> years since I last flew the Cozy.  I had an engin= e issue, and I had the
=0A> plane in the garage for almost a year swa= pping the engine, and adding
=0A> the EM3.  I ended up changing = jobs and moving about an hour away, so I
=0A> moved the plane back to= the airport before I was quite ready, and then
=0A> while tuning, I = noticed that I had developed a leak in the left fuel tank.
=0A>
= =0A> 
=0A>
=0A> At this point I need to get the plane= moved to my new house, so that I
=0A> can open up the tank, and repa= ir any damaged foam, and re-glass and
=0A> paint it.  I should a= lready have done it, but between work, and home
=0A> projects,  = I haven't taken the time.  I also need to arrange with a
=0A> wr= ecker company or someone to move it.
=0A>
=0A> 
=0A&g= t;
=0A> I did buy another plane though, a Socata Tampico, so that I = could still
=0A> do some flying.  The plan is to fix the Cozy, a= nd then sell one of
=0A> them.  I prefer to keep the Cozy, but t= he wife really like the Socata,
=0A> so I'm not yet sure how that wil= l work out.
=0A>
=0A> 
=0A>
=0A> Steve Bro= oks
=0A>
=0A
=0A
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=0AHomepage:  http://www.fly= rotary.com/
=0AArchive and UnSub:   http://mail.lancaironline.= net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html
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