X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.129.170.194] (HELO VIRCOM1.fcdata.private) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5267960 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 11:59:54 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Received: from FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE (unverified [172.16.5.23]) by VIRCOM1.fcdata.private (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.1024.13396) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:58:20 -0600 X-Modus-BlackList: 172.16.5.23=OK;cbarber@texasattorney.net=OK X-Modus-RBL: 172.16.5.23=Excluded X-Modus-Trusted: 172.16.5.23=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Received: from FCD-MAIL05.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::809d:a06e:5913:452e]) by FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::697f:d6aa:b87:78d8%17]) with mapi id 14.01.0339.001; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:58:57 -0600 From: Chris Barber To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy Thread-Index: AQHMsQ9HVJ31NL1+eE2w+paq2+3y4pXIxIH2 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:59:04 +0000 Message-ID: <2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D30C48970E5@FCD-MAIL05.FCDATA.PRIVATE> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [69.148.239.250] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D30C48970E5FCDMAIL05FCDATA_" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D30C48970E5FCDMAIL05FCDATA_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chrissi said....... "It would be doable but then it would fly like a Velocity." NICE.....real nice........ So? Just how many of y'all out there have actually flown a VELOCITY and a = Co-Z, Hmmmmmmm? Of course I gotta fly mine to before I really comment. I am preparing thin= gs to call a DAR though (keeping my fingers crossed) Chris Barber Houston VELOCITY N17010 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of = CozyGirrrl@aol.com [CozyGirrrl@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:26 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy Set-in tanks would lose a lot of fuel space and add a lot of weight. Canard= aircraft performance is directly related to weight, also the eight of ever= ything as it moves away from the centerline adversely affects roll rate. It= would be doable but then it would fly like a Velocity. Chrissi & Randi www.CozyGirrrl.com CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 12/2/2011 9:51:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, echristley= @att.net writes: I reluctantly made a decision to not trust sealing a gas tank to any petroc= hemical that is shipped to me in a liquid form. You never know what all those petrochemical engineers in Congress wi= ll decide mandate to be put into our fuel next. So I welded a fuel tank and glassed that into the place that was des= igned for a fiberglass tank. I would have preferred buying a premade poly-ethylene or aluminum racing tank, but I cou= ldn't find one that even came close to fitting. Aren't the Cozy tanks just big cubes sitting inside the wing roots? Would = it be safer, and possibly easier, to buy a tank, sit it in the, and glass it into place? Bill Schertz wrote: > There are two areas that may influence this. > > On my plane, > 1. I did the Jeffco coating, but when you glue the closeout piece in > place, the seam is not covered, so I worried that that would be a point > of attack. > 2. Another builder and I did a test, I coated samples of fiberglass > with Jeffco and the structural epoxy, and he did an immersion test in > gasoline with ethanol. The regular epoxy (Aeropoxy) flaked off rapidly, > the Jeffco did not, however it DID swell, and gain weight, which > indicated to me that it was letting some of the solvent through to the > underlying epoxy, therefore I decided that I could not trust it with > ethanol. > > Bill Schertz > KIS Cruiser #4045 > N343BS > Phase one testing Completed > > *From:* Steve Brooks > *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:51 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy > > > Bill, > > Apparently I did get some Ethanol. I had used the Jeffco sealant on the > tanks - 3 coats, when I built it. Supposedly it is impervious to most > anything, but apparently that is either not correct, or I missed a > pinhole somewhere. > > > > Steve > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *On Behalf Of *Bill Schertz > *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:18 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Steve Brooks Cozy > > > > Steve, > > Were you running Auto fuel with Ethanol in your tanks? > > > > Bill Schertz > KIS Cruiser #4045 > N343BS > Phase one testing Completed > > > > *From:* Steve Brooks > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:29 AM > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Plane on Mythbusters > > > > Hi Kelly, > > Yeas, I've been quiet for a while, but still lurking. It has been 2 > years since I last flew the Cozy. I had an engine issue, and I had the > plane in the garage for almost a year swapping the engine, and adding > the EM3. I ended up changing jobs and moving about an hour away, so I > moved the plane back to the airport before I was quite ready, and then > while tuning, I noticed that I had developed a leak in the left fuel tank= . > > > > At this point I need to get the plane moved to my new house, so that I > can open up the tank, and repair any damaged foam, and re-glass and > paint it. I should already have done it, but between work, and home > projects, I haven't taken the time. I also need to arrange with a > wrecker company or someone to move it. > > > > I did buy another plane though, a Socata Tampico, so that I could still > do some flying. The plan is to fix the Cozy, and then sell one of > them. I prefer to keep the Cozy, but the wife really like the Socata, > so I'm not yet sure how that will work out. > > > > Steve Brooks > -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.= html --_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D30C48970E5FCDMAIL05FCDATA_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Chrissi said.......

 

"It would be doable but then it would fly like a Velocity."

 

NICE.....real nice........

 

So?  Just how many of y'all out there have actually flown a VELOCIT= Y and a Co-Z, Hmmmmmmm?

 

Of course I gotta fly mine to before I really comment. = I am preparing things to call a DAR though (keeping my fingers crossed)

 

Chris Barber

Houston

VELOCITY N17010

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary= @lancaironline.net] on behalf of CozyGirrrl@aol.com [CozyGirrrl@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:26 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy

Set-in tanks would lose a lot of fuel space and add a lot of weight. C= anard aircraft performance is directly related to weight, also the eight of= everything as it moves away from the centerline adversely affects roll rat= e. It would be doable but then it would fly like a Velocity.
 
Chrissi & Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com=
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
 
In a message dated 12/2/2011 9:51:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, echri= stley@att.net writes:
I reluctantly made a decision to not trust sealing a gas tan= k to any petrochemical that is shipped to me in a liquid
form.  You never know what all those petrochemical engineers in Congre= ss will decide mandate to be put into our fuel
next.  So I welded a fuel tank and glassed that into the place that wa= s designed for a fiberglass tank.  I would have
preferred buying a premade poly-ethylene or aluminum racing tank, but I cou= ldn't find one that even came close to fitting.

Aren't the Cozy tanks just big cubes sitting inside the wing roots?  W= ould it be safer, and possibly easier, to buy a
tank, sit it in the, and glass it into place?


Bill Schertz wrote:
> There are two areas that may influence this.
> 
> On my plane,
> 1.    I did the Jeffco coating, but when you glue the closeo= ut piece in
> place, the seam is not covered, so I worried that that would be a poin= t
> of attack.
> 2.    Another builder and I did a test, I coated samples of = fiberglass
> with Jeffco and the structural epoxy, and he did an immersion test in<= br> > gasoline with ethanol. The regular epoxy (Aeropoxy) flaked off rapidly= ,
> the Jeffco did not, however it DID swell, and gain weight, which
> indicated to me that it was letting some of the solvent through to the=
> underlying epoxy, therefore I decided that I could not trust it with > ethanol.
> 
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser #4045
> N343BS
> Phase one testing Completed
> 
> *From:* Steve Brooks <mailto:cozy4pilot@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:51 PM
> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net= >
> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy
> 
>
> Bill,
>
> Apparently I did get some Ethanol.  I had used the Jeffco sealant= on the
> tanks - 3 coats, when I built it.  Supposedly it is impervious to= most
> anything, but apparently that is either not correct, or I missed a
> pinhole somewhere.
>
> 
>
> Steve
>
> 
>
> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=
> *On Behalf Of *Bill Schertz
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:18 AM
> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft
> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Steve Brooks Cozy
>
> 
>
> Steve,
>
> Were you running Auto fuel with Ethanol in your tanks?
>
> 
>
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser #4045
> N343BS
> Phase one testing Completed
>
> 
>
> *From:* Steve Brooks <mailto:cozy4pilot@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:29 AM
>
> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net= >
>
> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Plane on Mythbusters
>
> 
>
> Hi Kelly,
>
> Yeas, I've been quiet for a while, but still lurking.  It has bee= n 2
> years since I last flew the Cozy.  I had an engine issue, and I h= ad the
> plane in the garage for almost a year swapping the engine, and adding<= br> > the EM3.  I ended up changing jobs and moving about an hour away,= so I
> moved the plane back to the airport before I was quite ready, and then=
> while tuning, I noticed that I had developed a leak in the left fuel t= ank.
>
> 
>
> At this point I need to get the plane moved to my new house, so that I=
> can open up the tank, and repair any damaged foam, and re-glass and > paint it.  I should already have done it, but between work, and h= ome
> projects,  I haven't taken the time.  I also need to arrange= with a
> wrecker company or someone to move it.
>
> 
>
> I did buy another plane though, a Socata Tampico, so that I could stil= l
> do some flying.  The plan is to fix the Cozy, and then sell one o= f
> them.  I prefer to keep the Cozy, but the wife really like the So= cata,
> so I'm not yet sure how that will work out.
>
> 
>
> Steve Brooks
>


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