X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.97] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5267912 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 11:27:32 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.91.97; envelope-from=CozyGirrrl@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pB2GQkSx032378 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:26:46 -0500 Received: from core-dsc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.69]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BB61CE000096 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:26:45 -0500 (EST) From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Message-ID: <456f.7807da97.3c0a5645@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:26:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_456f.7807da97.3c0a5645_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-Originating-IP: [70.242.146.38] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1322843206; bh=rot0t2gRAJoeeL8E6qosc4LrRM67hhTsPMLZYXCYJHY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=G4JrRenk5w3AANHGfrDjX4c46ml8xld+IWvQR/UgLImBuAfPJqFgtCccW1q5WF67K pwjYYHp3tDzBYdhB9IMUamAJLlN6g5boyizj0Gd+zAYz+uqyUvJ6lPgFhI0A7lq+fi 8kOzZPluB1QabNJnPdO1vfAhKE56zy6so72hNxuQ= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:500497472:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c4ed8fc457494 --part1_456f.7807da97.3c0a5645_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Set-in tanks would lose a lot of fuel space and add a lot of weight. Canard aircraft performance is directly related to weight, also the eight of everything as it moves away from the centerline adversely affects roll rate. It would be doable but then it would fly like a Velocity. Chrissi & Randi _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 12/2/2011 9:51:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, echristley@att.net writes: I reluctantly made a decision to not trust sealing a gas tank to any petrochemical that is shipped to me in a liquid form. You never know what all those petrochemical engineers in Congress will decide mandate to be put into our fuel next. So I welded a fuel tank and glassed that into the place that was designed for a fiberglass tank. I would have preferred buying a premade poly-ethylene or aluminum racing tank, but I couldn't find one that even came close to fitting. Aren't the Cozy tanks just big cubes sitting inside the wing roots? Would it be safer, and possibly easier, to buy a tank, sit it in the, and glass it into place? Bill Schertz wrote: > There are two areas that may influence this. > > On my plane, > 1. I did the Jeffco coating, but when you glue the closeout piece in > place, the seam is not covered, so I worried that that would be a point > of attack. > 2. Another builder and I did a test, I coated samples of fiberglass > with Jeffco and the structural epoxy, and he did an immersion test in > gasoline with ethanol. The regular epoxy (Aeropoxy) flaked off rapidly, > the Jeffco did not, however it DID swell, and gain weight, which > indicated to me that it was letting some of the solvent through to the > underlying epoxy, therefore I decided that I could not trust it with > ethanol. > > Bill Schertz > KIS Cruiser #4045 > N343BS > Phase one testing Completed > > *From:* Steve Brooks > *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:51 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy > > > Bill, > > Apparently I did get some Ethanol. I had used the Jeffco sealant on the > tanks - 3 coats, when I built it. Supposedly it is impervious to most > anything, but apparently that is either not correct, or I missed a > pinhole somewhere. > > > > Steve > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *On Behalf Of *Bill Schertz > *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:18 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Steve Brooks Cozy > > > > Steve, > > Were you running Auto fuel with Ethanol in your tanks? > > > > Bill Schertz > KIS Cruiser #4045 > N343BS > Phase one testing Completed > > > > *From:* Steve Brooks > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:29 AM > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Plane on Mythbusters > > > > Hi Kelly, > > Yeas, I've been quiet for a while, but still lurking. It has been 2 > years since I last flew the Cozy. I had an engine issue, and I had the > plane in the garage for almost a year swapping the engine, and adding > the EM3. I ended up changing jobs and moving about an hour away, so I > moved the plane back to the airport before I was quite ready, and then > while tuning, I noticed that I had developed a leak in the left fuel tank. > > > > At this point I need to get the plane moved to my new house, so that I > can open up the tank, and repair any damaged foam, and re-glass and > paint it. I should already have done it, but between work, and home > projects, I haven't taken the time. I also need to arrange with a > wrecker company or someone to move it. > > > > I did buy another plane though, a Socata Tampico, so that I could still > do some flying. The plan is to fix the Cozy, and then sell one of > them. I prefer to keep the Cozy, but the wife really like the Socata, > so I'm not yet sure how that will work out. > > > > Steve Brooks > -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --part1_456f.7807da97.3c0a5645_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Set-in tanks would lose a lot of fuel space and add a lot of weight. C= anard=20 aircraft performance is directly related to weight, also the eight of every= thing=20 as it moves away from the centerline adversely affects roll rate. It would = be=20 doable but then it would fly like a Velocity.
 
Chrissi &=20 Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
C= G=20 Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop=
 
In a message dated 12/2/2011 9:51:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 echristley@att.net writes:
= I=20 reluctantly made a decision to not trust sealing a gas tank to any=20 petrochemical that is shipped to me in a liquid
form.  You never = know=20 what all those petrochemical engineers in Congress will decide mandate to= be=20 put into our fuel
next.  So I welded a fuel tank and glassed that= into=20 the place that was designed for a fiberglass tank.  I would=20 have
preferred buying a premade poly-ethylene or aluminum racing tank,= but=20 I couldn't find one that even came close to fitting.

Aren't the Co= zy=20 tanks just big cubes sitting inside the wing roots?  Would it be saf= er,=20 and possibly easier, to buy a
tank, sit it in the, and glass it into= =20 place?


Bill Schertz wrote:
> There are two areas that ma= y=20 influence this.
> 
> On my plane,
> 1.  &nbs= p; I=20 did the Jeffco coating, but when you glue the closeout piece in
> p= lace,=20 the seam is not covered, so I worried that that would be a point
> = of=20 attack.
> 2.    Another builder and I did a test, I coate= d=20 samples of fiberglass
> with Jeffco and the structural epoxy, and h= e did=20 an immersion test in
> gasoline with ethanol. The regular epoxy=20 (Aeropoxy) flaked off rapidly,
> the Jeffco did not, however it DID= =20 swell, and gain weight, which
> indicated to me that it was letting= some=20 of the solvent through to the
> underlying epoxy, therefore I decid= ed=20 that I could not trust it with
> ethanol.
> 
> Bi= ll=20 Schertz
> KIS Cruiser #4045
> N343BS
> Phase one testin= g=20 Completed
> 
> *From:* Steve Brooks=20 <mailto:cozy4pilot@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01= ,=20 2011 2:51 PM
> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft=20 <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> *Subject:* [FlyRotary]= Re:=20 Steve Brooks Cozy
> 
>
> Bill,
>
>= =20 Apparently I did get some Ethanol.  I had used the Jeffco sealant on= =20 the
> tanks - 3 coats, when I built it.  Supposedly it is=20 impervious to most
> anything, but apparently that is either not=20 correct, or I missed a
> pinhole somewhere.
>
> = =20
>
> Steve
>
> 
>
> *From:*= =20 Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> *O= n=20 Behalf Of *Bill Schertz
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:18= =20 AM
> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft
> *Subject:* [FlyRotary]= =20 Steve Brooks Cozy
>
> 
>
> Steve,
>= =20
> Were you running Auto fuel with Ethanol in your tanks?
>= =20
> 
>
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser=20 #4045
> N343BS
> Phase one testing Completed
>=20
> 
>
> *From:* Steve Brooks=20 <mailto:cozy4pilot@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday,=20 December 01, 2011 5:29 AM
>
> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraf= t=20 <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>
> *Subject:*=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Plane on Mythbusters
>
> 
&g= t;=20
> Hi Kelly,
>
> Yeas, I've been quiet for a while, bu= t=20 still lurking.  It has been 2
> years since I last flew the=20 Cozy.  I had an engine issue, and I had the
> plane in the gar= age=20 for almost a year swapping the engine, and adding
> the EM3.  = I=20 ended up changing jobs and moving about an hour away, so I
> moved = the=20 plane back to the airport before I was quite ready, and then
> whil= e=20 tuning, I noticed that I had developed a leak in the left fuel tank.
= >=20
> 
>
> At this point I need to get the plane mo= ved=20 to my new house, so that I
> can open up the tank, and repair any= =20 damaged foam, and re-glass and
> paint it.  I should already h= ave=20 done it, but between work, and home
> projects,  I haven't tak= en=20 the time.  I also need to arrange with a
> wrecker company or= =20 someone to move it.
>
> 
>
> I did buy an= other=20 plane though, a Socata Tampico, so that I could still
> do some=20 flying.  The plan is to fix the Cozy, and then sell one of
>= =20 them.  I prefer to keep the Cozy, but the wife really like the=20 Socata,
> so I'm not yet sure how that will work out.
>=20
> 
>
> Steve Brooks
>=20


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