X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mx2.netapp.com ([216.240.18.37] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTPS id 5267846 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 10:51:07 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.240.18.37; envelope-from=echristley@att.net X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,284,1320652800"; d="scan'208";a="603994144" Received: from smtp2.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.159.114]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 02 Dec 2011 07:50:32 -0800 Received: from [10.62.16.167] (ernestc-laptop.hq.netapp.com [10.62.16.167]) by smtp2.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id pB2FoR1U017582 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 07:50:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ED8F353.8060500@att.net> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 10:48:35 -0500 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@att.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100623) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I reluctantly made a decision to not trust sealing a gas tank to any petrochemical that is shipped to me in a liquid form. You never know what all those petrochemical engineers in Congress will decide mandate to be put into our fuel next. So I welded a fuel tank and glassed that into the place that was designed for a fiberglass tank. I would have preferred buying a premade poly-ethylene or aluminum racing tank, but I couldn't find one that even came close to fitting. Aren't the Cozy tanks just big cubes sitting inside the wing roots? Would it be safer, and possibly easier, to buy a tank, sit it in the, and glass it into place? Bill Schertz wrote: > There are two areas that may influence this. > > On my plane, > 1. I did the Jeffco coating, but when you glue the closeout piece in > place, the seam is not covered, so I worried that that would be a point > of attack. > 2. Another builder and I did a test, I coated samples of fiberglass > with Jeffco and the structural epoxy, and he did an immersion test in > gasoline with ethanol. The regular epoxy (Aeropoxy) flaked off rapidly, > the Jeffco did not, however it DID swell, and gain weight, which > indicated to me that it was letting some of the solvent through to the > underlying epoxy, therefore I decided that I could not trust it with > ethanol. > > Bill Schertz > KIS Cruiser #4045 > N343BS > Phase one testing Completed > > *From:* Steve Brooks > *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:51 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy > > > Bill, > > Apparently I did get some Ethanol. I had used the Jeffco sealant on the > tanks - 3 coats, when I built it. Supposedly it is impervious to most > anything, but apparently that is either not correct, or I missed a > pinhole somewhere. > > > > Steve > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *On Behalf Of *Bill Schertz > *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:18 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Steve Brooks Cozy > > > > Steve, > > Were you running Auto fuel with Ethanol in your tanks? > > > > Bill Schertz > KIS Cruiser #4045 > N343BS > Phase one testing Completed > > > > *From:* Steve Brooks > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:29 AM > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Plane on Mythbusters > > > > Hi Kelly, > > Yeas, I've been quiet for a while, but still lurking. It has been 2 > years since I last flew the Cozy. I had an engine issue, and I had the > plane in the garage for almost a year swapping the engine, and adding > the EM3. I ended up changing jobs and moving about an hour away, so I > moved the plane back to the airport before I was quite ready, and then > while tuning, I noticed that I had developed a leak in the left fuel tank. > > > > At this point I need to get the plane moved to my new house, so that I > can open up the tank, and repair any damaged foam, and re-glass and > paint it. I should already have done it, but between work, and home > projects, I haven't taken the time. I also need to arrange with a > wrecker company or someone to move it. > > > > I did buy another plane though, a Socata Tampico, so that I could still > do some flying. The plan is to fix the Cozy, and then sell one of > them. I prefer to keep the Cozy, but the wife really like the Socata, > so I'm not yet sure how that will work out. > > > > Steve Brooks >