X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.32] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5267187 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:41:13 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.32; envelope-from=wschertz@comcast.net Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 43fD1i0030ldTLk533ggnQ; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 03:40:40 +0000 Received: from WschertzPC ([75.204.0.65]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 43gW1i00z1Q8wUz3Q3gZBJ; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 03:40:38 +0000 Message-ID: <1E287FFAA43A4B7B97D27DAE3DFC6593@WschertzPC> From: "Bill Schertz" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 21:40:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CCB071.D7BAAC30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CCB071.D7BAAC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are two areas that may influence this. On my plane,=20 1. I did the Jeffco coating, but when you glue the closeout piece in = place, the seam is not covered, so I worried that that would be a point = of attack. 2. Another builder and I did a test, I coated samples of fiberglass = with Jeffco and the structural epoxy, and he did an immersion test in = gasoline with ethanol. The regular epoxy (Aeropoxy) flaked off rapidly, = the Jeffco did not, however it DID swell, and gain weight, which = indicated to me that it was letting some of the solvent through to the = underlying epoxy, therefore I decided that I could not trust it with = ethanol. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase one testing Completed From: Steve Brooks=20 Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:51 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy=20 Bill, Apparently I did get some Ethanol. I had used the Jeffco sealant on the = tanks - 3 coats, when I built it. Supposedly it is impervious to most = anything, but apparently that is either not correct, or I missed a = pinhole somewhere. =20 Steve=20 =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Bill Schertz Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:18 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Steve Brooks Cozy=20 =20 Steve, Were you running Auto fuel with Ethanol in your tanks? =20 Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase one testing Completed =20 From: Steve Brooks=20 Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:29 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Plane on Mythbusters =20 Hi Kelly, Yeas, I've been quiet for a while, but still lurking. It has been 2 = years since I last flew the Cozy. I had an engine issue, and I had the = plane in the garage for almost a year swapping the engine, and adding = the EM3. I ended up changing jobs and moving about an hour away, so I = moved the plane back to the airport before I was quite ready, and then = while tuning, I noticed that I had developed a leak in the left fuel = tank. =20 =20 At this point I need to get the plane moved to my new house, so that I = can open up the tank, and repair any damaged foam, and re-glass and = paint it. I should already have done it, but between work, and home = projects, I haven't taken the time. I also need to arrange with a = wrecker company or someone to move it. =20 I did buy another plane though, a Socata Tampico, so that I could still = do some flying. The plan is to fix the Cozy, and then sell one of them. = I prefer to keep the Cozy, but the wife really like the Socata, so I'm = not yet sure how that will work out. =20 =20 Steve Brooks ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CCB071.D7BAAC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There are two areas that may influence this.
 
On my plane,
1.    I did the Jeffco coating, but when you glue = the=20 closeout piece in place, the seam is not covered, so I worried that that = would=20 be a point of attack.
2.    Another builder and I did a test, I coated = samples of=20 fiberglass with Jeffco and the structural epoxy, and he did an immersion = test in=20 gasoline with ethanol. The regular epoxy (Aeropoxy) flaked off rapidly, = the=20 Jeffco did not, however it DID swell, and gain weight, which indicated = to me=20 that it was letting some of the solvent through to the underlying epoxy, = therefore I decided that I could not trust it with ethanol.
 
Bill=20 Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase one testing = Completed
 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:51 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Steve Brooks Cozy =
 

Bill,

Apparently=20 I did get some Ethanol.  I had used the Jeffco sealant on the tanks = - 3=20 coats, when I built it.  Supposedly it is impervious to most = anything, but=20 apparently that is either not correct, or I missed a pinhole=20 somewhere.

 

Steve=20

 

From: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill=20 Schertz
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:18 = AM
To: Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Steve Brooks Cozy=20

 

Steve,

Were=20 you running Auto fuel with Ethanol in your = tanks?

 

Bill=20 Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase one testing=20 Completed

 

From: Steve = Brooks=20

Sent:=20 Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:29 AM

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Plane on=20 Mythbusters

 

Hi=20 Kelly,

Yeas,=20 I've been quiet for a while, but still lurking.  It has been 2 = years since=20 I last flew the Cozy.  I had an engine issue, and I had the plane = in the=20 garage for almost a year swapping the engine, and adding the EM3.  = I ended=20 up changing jobs and moving about an hour away, so I moved the plane = back to the=20 airport before I was quite ready, and then while tuning, I noticed that = I had=20 developed a leak in the left fuel tank. 

 

At=20 this point I need to get the plane moved to my new house, so that I can = open up=20 the tank, and repair any damaged foam, and re-glass and paint it.  = I should=20 already have done it, but between work, and home projects,  I = haven't taken=20 the time.  I also need to arrange with a wrecker company or someone = to move=20 it.

 

I=20 did buy another plane though, a Socata Tampico, so that I could still do = some=20 flying.  The plan is to fix the Cozy, and then sell one of = them.  I=20 prefer to keep the Cozy, but the wife really like the Socata, so I'm not = yet=20 sure how that will work out. 

 

Steve=20 Brooks

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