X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm10-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.122] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with SMTP id 5262834 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:52:02 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.122; envelope-from=downing.j@sbcglobal.net Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2011 02:51:28 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.88] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2011 02:51:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2011 02:51:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 677921.19959.bm@omp1025.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 32369 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2011 02:51:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=LdAwbIMoseQWSZ3G9Ca3e1iCA4RZLc+j3+3ea33ag01bfrNYfCVKXxWnO+ynd2eH7GKD7Hcdz0jkiqYdPVAQMhUXRi51WTPlQ+z95H8rxhyfld4vw9epglm5sf9NSvvoC5m3TWOXOJnVskCD/7eOOevsBsyZ/ra/NqBwi4RawKg= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1322535088; bh=jT9kyT5hEfDQ23YKdEX5/9sfLujZ2pEw/wak1TTeoKg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=2WNxGATCQsgUN2auYtHdYBoK37rfA8R2xu1HHBQ3RLpyjq00lZHwMwMzxjLOTd1G+gY41re14pZOh+C84+ef5CtgdwMFYf29Uhz2jVd4To+t3O7A2IDE/xaWNzJLzpDBb5Vl9fcPoIVoKyGg9GuYet/1abd3P9mQyTcqgGJwddc= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Xbk7FeIVM1nEfRkaHvA_kLqhpo2u5L1MFoM_tol02ZcV3rz STPy.T4fDUbT2fHcY33_QeRdiYOIhOzv1F_zGcmZm027Vik.C5fIJ_FsGZ.C hrVxFWNIYuenpF1Xv3cCIfN1J.ltV03igRbINKPlb6u83eDMdtwuZWx.HUi5 zbfZU7l1YfV_nfs6cAiy41FYHczXWABMq6T1Z5V7AqT0.._PvJI3yi8XkdsM cD2ITY42UNqtJ.KS1t7BCjVIr9OhYz.Qnzl3qnndiJXTRfRaD__EMntnhXzM CTMWprkr_2pk.8yiMVqqXSSdWbUHl7eY.1RfmhFMy.Z6h_B_sDItbi.fXKbj L0RHy0h02ez3K_HF24kNclSdum8XySy6iQGo_5dxqu9V5IDjvLq9wJ3L.WMl .E6pxhY0QWrdPeBfG7n2vAjNttQCsBOvoGu5HrRDuntXCsrnfaiU9RRuYHxE JBS9L9XVHTyqWCs0CU_xq_CaNfqexkopyyamNqZ12MVIpq_ZxddKAD7YGWTA eDe4BVUFY0n3gQeuAEZpSzQzlCZH9fZ6_zwCyJhVAxppAxx7URgRpPZyQ_L4 G0d_h4I9HJ.H55MNhSmYh_6d7OY065c8g6an3CcISwPUQyNxndmV0gS4Ujsb JzH3SRZqJnbYxSnRjwm5cdS5ZfvS_iGL5k489FhNu X-Yahoo-SMTP: 4Ss7WYSswBAR3ULsDHPw5yIFKkoakpn6PCJcwuPp3izwMVSl Received: from JohnPC (downing.j@69.208.65.195 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2011 18:51:27 -0800 PST Message-ID: From: To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: CG Products Intake Manifold Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:42:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CCAE16.AAD6D020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CCAE16.AAD6D020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WOW, guess I should enlighten the neighbors on that one, they still = think I'm the Crash Test Dummy! My machinist had to have back surgery, = so is laid up until late February, so no work on the gear box now. = JohnD -Beta testers; ever notice they don't call them Crash Test Dummies = in aviation? Hey wait a minute, I resemble that remark! Bob Tilley N49JB On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:47 AM, CozyGirrrl@aol.com wrote: Vendors just love it when people don't ask discretely back channel = (where's the sarcasm smiley?) Its a work in progress. Finished up to the point of everything on = the hot side. As we said earlier it will be a complete solution, not = something that is going to leave you with having to figure out the other = half on your own. In our case this has meant effective implementation = and mounting of the alternator(s). We are also using the renesis water = pump which adds several new wrinkles to the mix. -even with underdrive e-shaft pulleys you will be considerably = overdiving any automotive alternator in cruise. Our calculations worked = out the need for a 4" diameter alternator pulley(s), confirming Mark's = choice. Unfortunately Mark's chosen vendor has discontinued the pulley. = We were not able to find another vendor making a 4"OD/15mm ID so we had = our preferred vendor (us) make them since we needed 2 for our engine, 2 = for the spare and 2 for the show mockup.=20 -The Samarai alternator fits on the renesis mounting boss but the = pivot bolt is smaller, Rather than drill out the alternator the boss = should get bushed out with stainless bushings. This aligns the = alternator with the water pump. The alternator is flopped over to the = cold side, this improves the wrap of the belt and lowers the top = profile. -the renesis alternator/WP combination does not align with e-shaft = pulley by something less than an inch. We are machining a spacer to move = the whole WP assy out the needed distance and all pulleys will be = aligned. We have a few renesis front covers to work out the CNC tool = path for separating the WP housing from the front cover. Its sort of a = hairy job to do with a large bandsaw and a couple of hours with a die = grinder to clean them up. If you have renesis front covers available we = would be interested in buying them to use as cores. -This will determine the placement of the second alternator over on = the cold side running off of the forward e-shaft pulley. Then we can = machine the new side mount for the second alternator. The mount will be = available in two configurations, one for a single alternator = installation using the eshaft pulley closest to the front cover and in = this dual alternator configuration using the other pulley. -finally this will determine what room is left for the plenum and = throttle body on the cold side. Convoluted getting there huh? -availability. Going to make it a priority over the winter to make = some, also have the gasket for a 20B to work out the flange for it.=20 -Beta testers; ever notice they don't call them Crash Test Dummies = in aviation? Chrissi & Randi www.CozyGirrrl.com CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 11/27/2011 9:06:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, = crobinson@medialantern.com writes: On 11/27/2011 10:02 PM, Thomas Mann wrote: > Check with the Cozy Girrrls. > I saw their manifold at Airventure and it's a work of art! > I posted this publicly to try to get their egos going. =3DD I was = in the=20 hangar today looking at my intake, just under half done, and = saying=20 "wow, I really don't want to finish this now that I've seen what = the=20 Girrrls have coming..." -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CCAE16.AAD6D020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WOW, guess I should enlighten the = neighbors on that=20 one, they still think I'm the Crash Test Dummy!  My machinist had = to have=20 back surgery, so is laid up until late February, so no work on the gear = box=20 now.  JohnD
 

-Beta testers; ever notice they don't call them Crash Test = Dummies in=20 aviation?

Hey wait a minute, I resemble that remark!

Bob Tilley
N49JB



On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:47 AM, CozyGirrrl@aol.com = wrote:

Vendors just love it when people don't ask discretely back = channel=20 (where's the sarcasm smiley?)
 
Its a work in progress. Finished up to the point of everything = on the=20 hot side. As we said earlier it will be a complete solution, not = something=20 that is going to leave you with having to figure out the other half = on your=20 own. In our case this has meant effective implementation and = mounting of the=20 alternator(s). We are also using the renesis water pump which adds = several=20 new wrinkles to the mix.
 
-even with underdrive e-shaft pulleys you will be considerably=20 overdiving any automotive alternator in cruise. Our calculations = worked out=20 the need for a 4" diameter alternator pulley(s), confirming Mark's = choice.=20 Unfortunately Mark's chosen vendor has discontinued the pulley. We = were not=20 able to find another vendor making a 4"OD/15mm ID so we had our = preferred=20 vendor (us) make them since we needed 2 for our engine, 2 for the = spare and=20 2 for the show mockup.
 
-The Samarai alternator fits on the renesis mounting boss but = the pivot=20 bolt is smaller, Rather than drill out the alternator the boss = should get=20 bushed out with stainless bushings. This aligns the alternator with = the=20 water pump. The alternator is flopped over to the cold side, this = improves=20 the wrap of the belt and lowers the top profile.
 
-the renesis alternator/WP combination does not align with = e-shaft=20 pulley by something less than an inch. We are machining a spacer to = move the=20 whole WP assy out the needed distance and all pulleys will be=20 aligned. We have a few renesis front covers to work out the CNC = tool=20 path for separating the WP housing from the front cover. Its sort of = a hairy=20 job to do with a large bandsaw and a couple of hours with a die = grinder to=20 clean them up. If you have renesis front covers available we would = be=20 interested in buying them to use as cores.
 
-This will determine the placement of the second alternator = over on the=20 cold side running off of the forward e-shaft pulley. Then we can = machine the=20 new side mount for the second alternator. The mount will be = available in two=20 configurations, one for a single alternator installation using the = eshaft=20 pulley closest to the front cover and in this dual alternator = configuration=20 using the other pulley.
 
-finally this will determine what room is left for the plenum = and=20 throttle body on the cold side. Convoluted getting there huh?
 
-availability. Going to make it a priority over the winter to = make=20 some, also have the gasket for a 20B to work out the flange for it. =
 
-Beta testers; ever notice they don't call them Crash Test = Dummies in=20 aviation?
 
Chrissi=20 & Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
CG = Products,=20 Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine = Workshop
 
In a message dated 11/27/2011 9:06:01 P.M. Central Standard = Time, crobinson@medialantern.com= =20 writes:
On=20 11/27/2011 10:02 PM, Thomas Mann wrote:
> Check with the = Cozy=20 Girrrls.
> I saw their manifold at Airventure and it's a = work of=20 art!
>
I posted this publicly to try to get their egos = going. =3DD=20 I was in the
hangar today looking at my intake, just under = half done,=20 and saying
"wow, I really don't want to finish this now that = I've seen=20 what the
Girrrls have = coming..."


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