X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.129] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with SMTP id 5262309 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:45:27 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.129; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2011 18:44:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.83] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2011 18:44:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2011 18:44:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 842864.28649.bm@omp1020.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 42997 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2011 18:44:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1322505892; bh=KkXoyCXtLlfG1UQG3bL0qk5ArryCILcFGW78f2j3Jzc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MyCaaOva/BUZ3Kk6Kc4DmYJA0Pa2+WuEaek2sTRe6VBVUqXksiYtY0Xw5PJaBYokWWkZVXQFG7zI7rk9lahjOw6KqBb6lMLDJzlpSUHVcAWr+033LcXm3pE4MOTYEEF6WHbWkQludOmpgYQtldQhyfx++Ltsq1I+4Cny5OrJtIk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=v+Vd/2A0BYfFnnrJ1SsEJawPsjb4cKZj/RD9dW+wFmv06vHSq16S5oHJCII9Vi35AJ8J+XeK/eVd9DsKGCHD8Kg2QSHnu8xaRc738ZaKEVGkPhuegKaeYPMlBHJpJt8maNs4BYJXwJWvRFWaqXcGlGfOZPhyMbvA85W4qKkwElM=; X-YMail-OSG: l2vBEtIVM1m6K1Eq1hhj9.rGqxBhjd60fA4QrPo8ZxcxmE. vwcG6tVFi8hAd_V6EgZZNJ_rmk2IkXRcdhvCPp53m_R6sj65ajdcTiim71j0 tN5Vhd5qcDApwVWnvyViJ.la8jC2PEEHcFTrVCnodrCOmv_jhgqQ2QqNeXbk F0EqkRI1wsvLqt4xiQ09XAn5_YWgc64ANWuH9p4yw26wjseqPpOGu7RrpjY3 1RDh8MoTnmpTlm0KC6q5rqJ8xxGO4GBg6UxX_4LBMxwqtSCQn1w2G3ptw0qa 5eT_70xnz.0NPsjmyBcKs_lTgaVSZdAdp42GNUm8uIYXw7TGbjh7SUYtc60z LrIHajvpLfnUaTBCjbDCqywboowZr2aqhYBt9i2DQSm5ABJfdcwwM0lez1qy MIAzmliwgG5Gw2yVB2u5x6.8RjNNLPNnvF0ddGkFdSxm5qjZ_1TzOOXH6N8e bA3jOa2TVMYeipyHmwCMTqZUUTInSdIfA9Azo6aPIHYXVpiKnGWR7UvjmEzP P4NJ.VveW Received: from [208.114.41.35] by web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:44:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: Message-ID: <1322505892.42560.YahooMailNeo@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:44:52 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Troyer Reply-To: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: CG Products Intake Manifold To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1683181555-1322505892=:42560" --0-1683181555-1322505892=:42560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chrissi.=0A=A0=A0 I stand corrected...........From Marks post I thought you= were using V belt pulleys as he did=0Abefore switching to the Renesis wate= r pump........Forgot you have a 13BREW engine and=A0the =0A=0AKelly Troyer= =0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM= 2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A_= _______________________________=0AFrom: "CozyGirrrl@aol.com" =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASen= t: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:32 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: CG Product= s Intake Manifold=0A=0A=0AKelly, we ARE using the renesis serpentine belt a= nd pulley system, when applied to a 13BREW it aligns with the WP and altern= ator because the alternator is in its native position on the molded in boss= on top, the eshaft serpentine pulleys with the CAS wheel are well out in f= ront of that. We don't want to change the CAS system.=0A=0AChrissi & Randi= =0Awww.CozyGirrrl.com=0ACG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware=0AChairwomen,= Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop=0A=0A=0AIn a message dated 11/28/2011 12:22:57 P= .M. Central Standard Time, keltro@att.net writes:=0AChrissi,=0A>=A0=A0 Any = reason you are not using the Renesis serpintine belt and pulley system ??..= ........Might=0A>eliminate spacers , etc for belt alignment.........=A0=A0 = .=0A>=A0=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>"13B ROTARY"_ = Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>"TURBON= ETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>From= : Mark Steitle =0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:53 AM=0A>Sub= ject: [FlyRotary] Re: CG Products Intake Manifold=0A>=0A>Chrissi,=0A>=0A>Yo= u may want to check out the Honda "SR20 power steering pulley" to=0A>use as= an oversized alternator pulley.=A0 I used two of these for a=0A>while unti= l I switched to the Renesis water pump and crank pulleys.=0A>They are 4" OD= .=A0 They have splines in the shaft bore that will need to=0A>be removed, b= ut other than that, they worked fine.=A0 They are steel, so=0A>they are bit= heavier than their aluminum counterparts.=A0 I bought mine=0A>off ebay for= < $20.=0A>=0A>Mark=0A>=0A>=0A>On 11/28/11, CozyGirrrl@aol.com wrote:=0A>> Vendors just love it when people don't ask discretely = back channel (where's=0A>>=A0 the sarcasm smiley?)=0A>>=0A>> Its a work in = progress. Finished up to the point of everything on the hot=0A>> side. As w= e said earlier it will be a complete solution, not something that=0A>> is= =A0 going to leave you with having to figure out the other half on your own= .=0A>> In our=A0 case this has meant effective implementation and mounting = of the=0A>> alternator(s).=A0 We are also using the renesis water pump whic= h adds several=0A>> new wrinkles to the=A0 mix.=0A>>=0A>> -even with underd= rive e-shaft pulleys you will be considerably overdiving=0A>> any automotiv= e alternator in cruise. Our calculations worked out the need=0A>> for a=A0 = 4" diameter alternator pulley(s), confirming Mark's choice.=0A>> Unfortunat= ely Mark's=A0 chosen vendor has discontinued the pulley. We were not=0A>> a= ble to=0A>> find another=A0 vendor making a 4"OD/15mm ID so we had our pref= erred vendor=0A>> (us)=0A>> make them since=A0 we needed 2 for our engine, = 2 for the spare and 2 for the=0A>> show mockup.=0A>>=0A>> -The Samarai alte= rnator fits on the renesis mounting boss but the pivot=0A>> bolt is smaller= , Rather than drill out the alternator the boss should get=0A>> bushed=A0 o= ut with stainless bushings. This aligns the alternator with the=0A>> water= =0A>> pump. The=A0 alternator is flopped over to the cold side, this improv= es the=0A>> wrap of the belt=A0 and lowers the top profile.=0A>>=0A>> -the = renesis alternator/WP combination does not align with e-shaft pulley=0A>> b= y something less than an inch. We are machining a spacer to move the whole= =0A>> WP=A0 assy out the needed distance and all pulleys will be aligned. W= e have a=0A>> few=A0 renesis front covers to work out the CNC tool path for= separating the=0A>> WP housing=A0 from the front cover. Its sort of a hair= y job to do with a large=0A>> bandsaw and a=A0 couple of hours with a die g= rinder to clean them up. If you=0A>> have renesis front=A0 covers available= we would be interested in buying them=0A>> to=0A>> use as cores.=0A>>=0A>>= -This will determine the placement of the second alternator over on the=0A= >> cold side running off of the forward e-shaft pulley. Then we can machine= the=0A>> new=A0 side mount for the second alternator. The mount will be av= ailable in=0A>> two=0A>>=A0 configurations, one for a single alternator ins= tallation using the eshaft=0A>> pulley=A0 closest to the front cover and in= this dual alternator configuration=0A>> using the=A0 other pulley.=0A>>=0A= >> -finally this will determine what room is left for the plenum and thrott= le=0A>> body on the cold side. Convoluted getting there huh?=0A>>=0A>> -ava= ilability. Going to make it a priority over the winter to make some,=0A>> a= lso have the gasket for a 20B to work out the flange for it.=0A>>=0A>> -Bet= a testers; ever notice they don't call them Crash Test Dummies in=0A>> avia= tion?=0A>>=0A>> Chrissi &=A0 Randi=0A>> _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.co= zygirrrl.com/)=0A>> CG=A0 Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware=0A>> Chairwome= n, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> In a message dated 11/27/2011 9= :06:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,=0A>> crobinson@medialantern.com writes:= =0A>>=0A>> On=A0 11/27/2011 10:02 PM, Thomas Mann wrote:=0A>>> Check with t= he Cozy=A0 Girrrls.=0A>>> I saw their manifold at Airventure and it's a wor= k of=A0 art!=0A>>>=0A>> I posted this publicly to try to get their egos goi= ng. =3DD I=A0 was in the=0A>> hangar today looking at my intake, just under= half done, and=A0 saying=0A>> "wow, I really don't want to finish this now= that I've seen what=A0 the=0A>> Girrrls have coming..."=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> --= =0A>> Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>> Archive and UnSub:=0A>> h= ttp://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A= >=0A>--=0A>Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>Archive and UnSub:=A0 = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A= =0A=0Afront cover is deeper than the Renesis............Mark I do not recal= l hearing of pulley alignment=0Aproblems with your installation............= Were there any ??.............. --0-1683181555-1322505892=:42560 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chrissi.
   I stand= corrected...........From Marks post I thought you were using V belt pulley= s as he did
before switching to = the Renesis water pump........Forgot you have a 13BREW engine and the =
front cover is deeper than the Renesis..........= ..Mark I do not recall hearing of pulley alignment
problems with your installation............Were = there any ??..............
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:= "CozyGirrrl@aol.com" <CozyGirrrl@aol.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyro= tary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:32 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CG Products Intake Manifold
Kelly, we ARE using the renesis serpentine belt and pulley system, whe= n applied to a 13BREW it aligns with the WP and alternator because the alte= rnator is in its native position on the molded in boss on top, the eshaft s= erpentine pulleys with the CAS wheel are well out in front of that. We don'= t want to change the CAS system.
 
Chrissi & Randiwww= .CozyGirrrl.com
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen,= Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
 
In a message dated 11/28/2011 12:22:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, kel= tro@att.net writes:
Chrissi,
   Any reason you are not using the Renesis serpintine= belt and pulley system ??..........Might
eliminate spacers , = etc for belt alignment.........   .
 
Kelly Troyer<= BR>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: Mark Steitle <ms= teitle@gmail.com>
To:= Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:= 53 AM
Subject: [FlyRotar= y] Re: CG Products Intake Manifold

Chrissi,

You may wa= nt to check out the Honda "SR20 power steering pulley" to
use as an over= sized alternator pulley.  I used two of these for a
while until I s= witched to the Renesis water pump and crank pulleys.
They are 4" OD.&nbs= p; They have splines in the shaft bore that will need to
be removed, but o= ther than that, they worked fine.  They are steel, so
they are bit = heavier than their aluminum counterparts.  I bought mine
off ebay f= or < $20.

Mark


On 11/28/11, CozyGirrrl@aol.com <CozyGirrrl@aol.co= m> wrote:
> Vendors just love it when people don't ask discret= ely back channel (where's
>  the sarcasm smiley?)
>
>= ; Its a work in progress. Finished up to the point of everything on the hot=
> side. As we said earlier it will be a complete solution, not somet= hing that
> is  going to leave you with having to figure out the= other half on your own.
> In our  case this has meant effective implementa= tion and mounting of the
> alternator(s).  We are also using the= renesis water pump which adds several
> new wrinkles to the  mi= x.
>
> -even with underdrive e-shaft pulleys you will be consid= erably overdiving
> any automotive alternator in cruise. Our calculat= ions worked out the need
> for a  4" diameter alternator pulley(= s), confirming Mark's choice.
> Unfortunately Mark's  chosen ven= dor has discontinued the pulley. We were not
> able to
> find a= nother  vendor making a 4"OD/15mm ID so we had our preferred vendor> (us)
> make them since  we needed 2 for our engine, 2 for = the spare and 2 for the
> show mockup.
>
> -The Samarai a= lternator fits on the renesis mounting boss but the pivot
> bolt is s= maller, Rather than drill out the alternator the boss should get
> bushed  out with stainless bushings. This aligns the alte= rnator with the
> water
> pump. The  alternator is flopped= over to the cold side, this improves the
> wrap of the belt  an= d lowers the top profile.
>
> -the renesis alternator/WP combin= ation does not align with e-shaft pulley
> by something less than an = inch. We are machining a spacer to move the whole
> WP  assy out= the needed distance and all pulleys will be aligned. We have a
> few=   renesis front covers to work out the CNC tool path for separating th= e
> WP housing  from the front cover. Its sort of a hairy job to= do with a large
> bandsaw and a  couple of hours with a die gri= nder to clean them up. If you
> have renesis front  covers avail= able we would be interested in buying them
> to
> use as cores.=
>
> -This will determine the placement of the second alternator over on the
> cold side running off of the forward e-shaf= t pulley. Then we can machine the
> new  side mount for the seco= nd alternator. The mount will be available in
> two
>  con= figurations, one for a single alternator installation using the eshaft
&= gt; pulley  closest to the front cover and in this dual alternator con= figuration
> using the  other pulley.
>
> -finally t= his will determine what room is left for the plenum and throttle
> bo= dy on the cold side. Convoluted getting there huh?
>
> -availab= ility. Going to make it a priority over the winter to make some,
> al= so have the gasket for a 20B to work out the flange for it.
>
>= -Beta testers; ever notice they don't call them Crash Test Dummies in
&= gt; aviation?
>
> Chrissi &  Randi
> _www.CozyGi= rrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/)
> CG  Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
> Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
= >
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2011 9:06:01 P.M. Central Sta= ndard Time,
> crobinson@medialantern.com writes:>
> On  11/27/2011 10:02 PM, Thomas Mann wrote:
>>= Check with the Cozy  Girrrls.
>> I saw their manifold at Air= venture and it's a work of  art!
>>
> I posted this pub= licly to try to get their egos going. =3DD I  was in the
> hanga= r today looking at my intake, just under half done, and  saying
>= ; "wow, I really don't want to finish this now that I've seen what  th= e
> Girrrls have coming..."
>
>
> --
> Homepa= ge:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
> Archive and UnSub:
> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html
>
>=
>

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