X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.95] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5262306 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:33:12 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.91.95; envelope-from=CozyGirrrl@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pASIWVfl026264 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:32:31 -0500 Received: from core-dsd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.129]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8F28EE000099 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:32:31 -0500 (EST) From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Message-ID: <61cd.6543d347.3c052dbf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:32:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: CG Products Intake Manifold To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_61cd.6543d347.3c052dbf_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-Originating-IP: [69.154.217.40] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1322505151; bh=kkogcWc6djGm0oPFn5cszX4Pp/JJjIP60QzTt6s8rqI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aPLg0nRmdudJ/zbK114i9hNulLACuThsmEMsOZ7ibyHOtLylEUwWDnp0k52enk9xO crU0j/teeo0AFETXyCcsDYreuyHyoeh3xFhKLNBTFNHijbsjGAbydJ+xXYOkjJC/l5 7vLymBeu2zWMqzqhOMXbEFpwntRrXtPrjZSzJUOU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482306176:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b4ed3d3bf5311 --part1_61cd.6543d347.3c052dbf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kelly, we ARE using the renesis serpentine belt and pulley system, when applied to a 13BREW it aligns with the WP and alternator because the alternator is in its native position on the molded in boss on top, the eshaft serpentine pulleys with the CAS wheel are well out in front of that. We don't want to change the CAS system. Chrissi & Randi _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 11/28/2011 12:22:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, keltro@att.net writes: Chrissi, Any reason you are not using the Renesis serpintine belt and pulley system ??..........Might eliminate spacers , etc for belt alignment............ Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:53 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CG Products Intake Manifold Chrissi, You may want to check out the Honda "SR20 power steering pulley" to use as an oversized alternator pulley. I used two of these for a while until I switched to the Renesis water pump and crank pulleys. They are 4" OD. They have splines in the shaft bore that will need to be removed, but other than that, they worked fine. They are steel, so they are bit heavier than their aluminum counterparts. I bought mine off ebay for < $20. Mark On 11/28/11, _CozyGirrrl@aol.com_ (mailto:CozyGirrrl@aol.com) <_CozyGirrrl@aol.com_ (mailto:CozyGirrrl@aol.com) > wrote: > Vendors just love it when people don't ask discretely back channel (where's > the sarcasm smiley?) > > Its a work in progress. Finished up to the point of everything on the hot > side. As we said earlier it will be a complete solution, not something that > is going to leave you with having to figure out the other half on your own. > In our case this has meant effective implementation and mounting of the > alternator(s). We are also using the renesis water pump which adds several > new wrinkles to the mix. > > -even with underdrive e-shaft pulleys you will be considerably overdiving > any automotive alternator in cruise. Our calculations worked out the need > for a 4" diameter alternator pulley(s), confirming Mark's choice. > Unfortunately Mark's chosen vendor has discontinued the pulley. We were not > able to > find another vendor making a 4"OD/15mm ID so we had our preferred vendor > (us) > make them since we needed 2 for our engine, 2 for the spare and 2 for the > show mockup. > > -The Samarai alternator fits on the renesis mounting boss but the pivot > bolt is smaller, Rather than drill out the alternator the boss should get > bushed out with stainless bushings. This aligns the alternator with the > water > pump. The alternator is flopped over to the cold side, this improves the > wrap of the belt and lowers the top profile. > > -the renesis alternator/WP combination does not align with e-shaft pulley > by something less than an inch. We are machining a spacer to move the whole > WP assy out the needed distance and all pulleys will be aligned. We have a > few renesis front covers to work out the CNC tool path for separating the > WP housing from the front cover. Its sort of a hairy job to do with a large > bandsaw and a couple of hours with a die grinder to clean them up. If you > have renesis front covers available we would be interested in buying them > to > use as cores. > > -This will determine the placement of the second alternator over on the > cold side running off of the forward e-shaft pulley. Then we can machine the > new side mount for the second alternator. The mount will be available in > two > configurations, one for a single alternator installation using the eshaft > pulley closest to the front cover and in this dual alternator configuration > using the other pulley. > > -finally this will determine what room is left for the plenum and throttle > body on the cold side. Convoluted getting there huh? > > -availability. Going to make it a priority over the winter to make some, > also have the gasket for a 20B to work out the flange for it. > > -Beta testers; ever notice they don't call them Crash Test Dummies in > aviation? > > Chrissi & Randi > _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) > CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware > Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop > > > In a message dated 11/27/2011 9:06:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, > _crobinson@medialantern.com_ (mailto:crobinson@medialantern.com) writes: > > On 11/27/2011 10:02 PM, Thomas Mann wrote: >> Check with the Cozy Girrrls. >> I saw their manifold at Airventure and it's a work of art! >> > I posted this publicly to try to get their egos going. =D I was in the > hangar today looking at my intake, just under half done, and saying > "wow, I really don't want to finish this now that I've seen what the > Girrrls have coming..." > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > -- Homepage: _http://www.flyrotary.com/_ (http://www.flyrotary.com/) Archive and UnSub: _http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html_ (http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html) --part1_61cd.6543d347.3c052dbf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kelly, we ARE using the renesis serpentine belt and pulley system, whe= n=20 applied to a 13BREW it aligns with the WP and alternator because the altern= ator=20 is in its native position on the molded in boss on top, the eshaft serpenti= ne=20 pulleys with the CAS wheel are well out in front of that. We don't want to= =20 change the CAS system.
 
Chrissi &=20 Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
C= G=20 Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop=
 
In a message dated 11/28/2011 12:22:57 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 keltro@att.net writes:
=
Chrissi,
   Any r= eason you=20 are not using the Renesis serpintine belt and pulley system=20 ??..........Might
eliminate spacers = , etc for=20 belt alignment............
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oi= l=20 Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:= Mark=20 Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10= :53=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary= ] Re:=20 CG Products Intake Manifold

Chrissi,

You may want to= =20 check out the Honda "SR20 power steering pulley" to
use as an oversize= d=20 alternator pulley.  I used two of these for a
while until I switc= hed=20 to the Renesis water pump and crank pulleys.
They are 4" OD.  The= y=20 have splines in the shaft bore that will need to
be removed, but other= than=20 that, they worked fine.  They are steel, so
they are bit heavier = than=20 their aluminum counterparts.  I bought mine
off ebay for <=20 $20.

Mark


On 11/28/11, CozyGirrrl@aol.com <CozyGirrrl@aol.com> wrote:>=20 Vendors just love it when people don't ask discretely back channel=20 (where's
>  the sarcasm smiley?)
>
> Its a work in= =20 progress. Finished up to the point of everything on the hot
> side.= As=20 we said earlier it will be a complete solution, not something that
>= ;=20 is  going to leave you with having to figure out the other half on y= our=20 own.
> In our  case this has meant effective implementation an= d=20 mounting of the
> alternator(s).  We are also using the renesi= s=20 water pump which adds several
> new wrinkles to the =20 mix.
>
> -even with underdrive e-shaft pulleys you will be=20 considerably overdiving
> any automotive alternator in cruise. Our= =20 calculations worked out the need
> for a  4" diameter alternat= or=20 pulley(s), confirming Mark's choice.
> Unfortunately Mark's  c= hosen=20 vendor has discontinued the pulley. We were not
> able to
> f= ind=20 another  vendor making a 4"OD/15mm ID so we had our preferred=20 vendor
> (us)
> make them since  we needed 2 for our eng= ine,=20 2 for the spare and 2 for the
> show mockup.
>
> -The= =20 Samarai alternator fits on the renesis mounting boss but the pivot
>= ;=20 bolt is smaller, Rather than drill out the alternator the boss should=20 get
> bushed  out with stainless bushings. This aligns the=20 alternator with the
> water
> pump. The  alternator is= =20 flopped over to the cold side, this improves the
> wrap of the=20 belt  and lowers the top profile.
>
> -the renesis=20 alternator/WP combination does not align with e-shaft pulley
> by= =20 something less than an inch. We are machining a spacer to move the=20 whole
> WP  assy out the needed distance and all pulleys will = be=20 aligned. We have a
> few  renesis front covers to work out the= CNC=20 tool path for separating the
> WP housing  from the front cove= r.=20 Its sort of a hairy job to do with a large
> bandsaw and a  co= uple=20 of hours with a die grinder to clean them up. If you
> have renesis= =20 front  covers available we would be interested in buying them
>= ;=20 to
> use as cores.
>
> -This will determine the placeme= nt of=20 the second alternator over on the
> cold side running off of the fo= rward=20 e-shaft pulley. Then we can machine the
> new  side mount for = the=20 second alternator. The mount will be available in
> two
>&nbs= p;=20 configurations, one for a single alternator installation using the=20 eshaft
> pulley  closest to the front cover and in this dual= =20 alternator configuration
> using the  other pulley.
>>=20 -finally this will determine what room is left for the plenum and=20 throttle
> body on the cold side. Convoluted getting there=20 huh?
>
> -availability. Going to make it a priority over the= =20 winter to make some,
> also have the gasket for a 20B to work out t= he=20 flange for it.
>
> -Beta testers; ever notice they don't call= them=20 Crash Test Dummies in
> aviation?
>
> Chrissi &&nbs= p;=20 Randi
> _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/)
>= =20 CG  Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
> Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun= =20 Engine Workshop
>
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2011 9:0= 6:01=20 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> crobinson@medialantern.com<= /A>=20 writes:
>
> On  11/27/2011 10:02 PM, Thomas Mann=20 wrote:
>> Check with the Cozy  Girrrls.
>> I saw t= heir=20 manifold at Airventure and it's a work of  art!
>>
> = I=20 posted this publicly to try to get their egos going. =3DD I  was in= =20 the
> hangar today looking at my intake, just under half done, and&= nbsp;=20 saying
> "wow, I really don't want to finish this now that I've see= n=20 what  the
> Girrrls have coming..."
>
>
>=20 --
> Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
> Archive and= =20 UnSub:
>=20 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html
>
>= ;
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