X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm2-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.158] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with SMTP id 5262288 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:22:50 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.158; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2011 18:22:17 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.81] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2011 18:22:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2011 18:22:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 67914.55612.bm@omp1018.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 33777 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2011 18:22:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1322504536; bh=0PM7w75is9eWt/A3EBiVUCIhNgGxYegDwbUU6rV+KCc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JoEMVLUGWO967FqATJPdFgEXnZtN0vREFMrZ+pRn28SwLv6R4KQFvnJWNUGrXSvKwS6p7pNOU6/qkSoSgoAkCm/oWSSlVOQBX2dSukunPL6RZJskD5Dpac+p7okbtnIjO/sQ/FmnBHH4skXEsN9a/ymyZpO0WqIcD5DMo3vKTbM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LL+mggQuRwHbR3zIG7c2Mh/E7kjH1eik5U0PbEahl+ggqhkHsgUnZ/iQN0smP9tm+HQm8KRp7e35SFvPc3piwUP1rITXjI/dZkkXt1aUTscvtBBo0UQCiXL/Z7KVY/v0kbsR8nhvKCEz5zZWityMNxPcQBtkML1Ju3NFZtHtrG4=; X-YMail-OSG: EkEa86IVM1ksaFo1Qb7KOB6IQSgVs4Vj6CUVYAH65Ds9hVw aNq3hW6MGsXvGERuu7ddACekTB57OUudT5j1P1dpOxHcG9ajkz7Xq9ZHacs5 R4TeMxkSSyfFcKVBLWYM3x2q2Ovip8YFCAAH95xbkXildxbo6tDKNDVYk_W7 gcFegDGdvzWqZqsuRfW5G._oQYkNQwV0ED87RgSqqvXS5CTG9HU.7OAooD3m Mubf0EoSxGH4pdTpAaRkEget4Au7XyWh8gCcmCr9ARkjDIChiKiEW8O3efS6 jQWE46o9IRieak6tu9QawLHtSYX_AtPlhVSyx5zUzD479UHn7V9DFG.pY.Bw 7UtXOad7mdC9_PzwbfdzjzCINcZ0kvihfYjviW50YlbmPmbwEo4i2xsq2nyK Nv8FwgnFh8lPXMnpIJosC8CaezbdhBpIcae6u1n2Y78Dsd0sBiiUI3vCd4CI Vto3pPGr1mWhQGS.crdzR959j0M5fFUtCQ7XWIxciP4kG.DaU53OV7ikAyeu 7ZP72wxSjH8w- Received: from [208.114.41.35] by web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:22:16 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: Message-ID: <1322504536.32174.YahooMailNeo@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:22:16 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Troyer Reply-To: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: CG Products Intake Manifold To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-606527432-1322504536=:32174" --0-606527432-1322504536=:32174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chrissi,=0A=A0=A0 Any reason you are not using the Renesis serpintine belt = and pulley system ??..........Might=0Aeliminate spacers , etc for belt alig= nment............=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B = ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"= TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: = Mark Steitle =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:53 AM=0ASubject:= [FlyRotary] Re: CG Products Intake Manifold=0A=0AChrissi,=0A=0AYou may wan= t to check out the Honda "SR20 power steering pulley" to=0Ause as an oversi= zed alternator pulley.=A0 I used two of these for a=0Awhile until I switche= d to the Renesis water pump and crank pulleys.=0AThey are 4" OD.=A0 They ha= ve splines in the shaft bore that will need to=0Abe removed, but other than= that, they worked fine.=A0 They are steel, so=0Athey are bit heavier than = their aluminum counterparts.=A0 I bought mine=0Aoff ebay for < $20.=0A=0AMa= rk=0A=0A=0AOn 11/28/11, CozyGirrrl@aol.com wrote:=0A> = Vendors just love it when people don't ask discretely back channel (where's= =0A>=A0 the sarcasm smiley?)=0A>=0A> Its a work in progress. Finished up to= the point of everything on the hot=0A> side. As we said earlier it will be= a complete solution, not something that=0A> is=A0 going to leave you with = having to figure out the other half on your own.=0A> In our=A0 case this ha= s meant effective implementation and mounting of the=0A> alternator(s).=A0 = We are also using the renesis water pump which adds several=0A> new wrinkle= s to the=A0 mix.=0A>=0A> -even with underdrive e-shaft pulleys you will be = considerably overdiving=0A> any automotive alternator in cruise. Our calcul= ations worked out the need=0A> for a=A0 4" diameter alternator pulley(s), c= onfirming Mark's choice.=0A> Unfortunately Mark's=A0 chosen vendor has disc= ontinued the pulley. We were not=0A> able to=0A> find another=A0 vendor mak= ing a 4"OD/15mm ID so we had our preferred vendor=0A> (us)=0A> make them si= nce=A0 we needed 2 for our engine, 2 for the spare and 2 for the=0A> show m= ockup.=0A>=0A> -The Samarai alternator fits on the renesis mounting boss bu= t the pivot=0A> bolt is smaller, Rather than drill out the alternator the b= oss should get=0A> bushed=A0 out with stainless bushings. This aligns the a= lternator with the=0A> water=0A> pump. The=A0 alternator is flopped over to= the cold side, this improves the=0A> wrap of the belt=A0 and lowers the to= p profile.=0A>=0A> -the renesis alternator/WP combination does not align wi= th e-shaft pulley=0A> by something less than an inch. We are machining a sp= acer to move the whole=0A> WP=A0 assy out the needed distance and all pulle= ys will be aligned. We have a=0A> few=A0 renesis front covers to work out t= he CNC tool path for separating the=0A> WP housing=A0 from the front cover.= Its sort of a hairy job to do with a large=0A> bandsaw and a=A0 couple of = hours with a die grinder to clean them up. If you=0A> have renesis front=A0= covers available we would be interested in buying them=0A> to=0A> use as c= ores.=0A>=0A> -This will determine the placement of the second alternator o= ver on the=0A> cold side running off of the forward e-shaft pulley. Then we= can machine the=0A> new=A0 side mount for the second alternator. The mount= will be available in=0A> two=0A>=A0 configurations, one for a single alter= nator installation using the eshaft=0A> pulley=A0 closest to the front cove= r and in this dual alternator configuration=0A> using the=A0 other pulley.= =0A>=0A> -finally this will determine what room is left for the plenum and = throttle=0A> body on the cold side. Convoluted getting there huh?=0A>=0A> -= availability. Going to make it a priority over the winter to make some,=0A>= also have the gasket for a 20B to work out the flange for it.=0A>=0A> -Bet= a testers; ever notice they don't call them Crash Test Dummies in=0A> aviat= ion?=0A>=0A> Chrissi &=A0 Randi=0A> _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygi= rrrl.com/)=0A> CG=A0 Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware=0A> Chairwomen, Sun= -N-Fun Engine Workshop=0A>=0A>=0A> In a message dated 11/27/2011 9:06:01 P.= M. Central Standard Time,=0A> crobinson@medialantern.com writes:=0A>=0A> On= =A0 11/27/2011 10:02 PM, Thomas Mann wrote:=0A>> Check with the Cozy=A0 Gir= rrls.=0A>> I saw their manifold at Airventure and it's a work of=A0 art!=0A= >>=0A> I posted this publicly to try to get their egos going. =3DD I=A0 was= in the=0A> hangar today looking at my intake, just under half done, and=A0= saying=0A> "wow, I really don't want to finish this now that I've seen wha= t=A0 the=0A> Girrrls have coming..."=0A>=0A>=0A> --=0A> Homepage:=A0 http:/= /www.flyrotary.com/=0A> Archive and UnSub:=0A> http://mail.lancaironline.ne= t:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A--=0AHomepage:=A0 http://ww= w.flyrotary.com/=0AArchive and UnSub:=A0 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/l= ists/flyrotary/List.html --0-606527432-1322504536=:32174 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chrissi,
   Any rea= son you are not using the Renesis serpintine belt and pulley system ??.....= .....Might
eliminate spacers , = etc for belt alignment............
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:= Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lan= caironline.net>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:53 AM
use as an oversized alternator pulley.  I used two of= these for a
while until I switched to the Renesis water pump and crank pulleys.
They are 4" OD.  They have splines in the shaft bore that= will need to
be removed, but other than that, they worked fine.  T= hey are steel, so
they are bit heavier than their aluminum counterparts.=   I bought mine
off ebay for < $20.

Mark


On 11= /28/11, CozyGirrrl@aol.com <CozyGirrrl@aol.com> wrote:
&= gt; Vendors just love it when people don't ask discretely back channel (whe= re's
>  the sarcasm smiley?)
>
> Its a work in progr= ess. Finished up to the point of everything on the hot
> side. As we = said earlier it will be a complete solution, not something that
> is&= nbsp; going to leave you with having to figure out the other half on your o= wn.
> In our  case this has meant effective implementation and mounting of the
> alternator(s).  We are also using the renesis= water pump which adds several
> new wrinkles to the  mix.
&g= t;
> -even with underdrive e-shaft pulleys you will be considerably o= verdiving
> any automotive alternator in cruise. Our calculations wor= ked out the need
> for a  4" diameter alternator pulley(s), conf= irming Mark's choice.
> Unfortunately Mark's  chosen vendor has = discontinued the pulley. We were not
> able to
> find another&n= bsp; vendor making a 4"OD/15mm ID so we had our preferred vendor
> (u= s)
> make them since  we needed 2 for our engine, 2 for the spar= e and 2 for the
> show mockup.
>
> -The Samarai alternato= r fits on the renesis mounting boss but the pivot
> bolt is smaller, = Rather than drill out the alternator the boss should get
> bushed&nbs= p; out with stainless bushings. This aligns the alternator with the
> water
> pump. The  alternator is flopped over to th= e cold side, this improves the
> wrap of the belt  and lowers th= e top profile.
>
> -the renesis alternator/WP combination does = not align with e-shaft pulley
> by something less than an inch. We ar= e machining a spacer to move the whole
> WP  assy out the needed= distance and all pulleys will be aligned. We have a
> few  rene= sis front covers to work out the CNC tool path for separating the
> W= P housing  from the front cover. Its sort of a hairy job to do with a = large
> bandsaw and a  couple of hours with a die grinder to cle= an them up. If you
> have renesis front  covers available we wou= ld be interested in buying them
> to
> use as cores.
>> -This will determine the placement of the second alternator over on t= he
> cold side running off of the forward e-shaft pulley. Then we can machine the
> new  side mount for the second alternator.= The mount will be available in
> two
>  configurations, o= ne for a single alternator installation using the eshaft
> pulley&nbs= p; closest to the front cover and in this dual alternator configuration
= > using the  other pulley.
>
> -finally this will deter= mine what room is left for the plenum and throttle
> body on the cold= side. Convoluted getting there huh?
>
> -availability. Going t= o make it a priority over the winter to make some,
> also have the ga= sket for a 20B to work out the flange for it.
>
> -Beta testers= ; ever notice they don't call them Crash Test Dummies in
> aviation?<= BR>>
> Chrissi &  Randi
> _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (htt= p://www.cozygirrrl.com/)
> CG  Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwar= e
> Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
>
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2011 9:06:01 P.M= . Central Standard Time,
> crobinson@medialantern.co= m writes:
>
> On  11/27/2011 10:02 PM, Thomas Mann wro= te:
>> Check with the Cozy  Girrrls.
>> I saw their = manifold at Airventure and it's a work of  art!
>>
> I = posted this publicly to try to get their egos going. =3DD I  was in th= e
> hangar today looking at my intake, just under half done, and = ; saying
> "wow, I really don't want to finish this now that I've see= n what  the
> Girrrls have coming..."
>
>
> --=
> Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
> Archive and UnSu= b:
> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html
&g= t;
>
>

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