X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5262214 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:20:15 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.41; envelope-from=CozyGirrrl@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pASHJO9B018614 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:19:24 -0500 Received: from core-dsd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.129]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4ED1BE000094 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:19:24 -0500 (EST) From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Message-ID: <63f0.6a84c4d4.3c051c9c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:19:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: CG Products Intake Manifold To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_63f0.6a84c4d4.3c051c9c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-Originating-IP: [69.154.217.40] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1322500764; bh=sjkd0S0PucnR3r/WIVOZ1I8rvzPiCgpgVyrktEvxMs8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ReG8cc4AS8rx1OVaVHMdk48oDBDU4Co+YacFcoMe969nnxYT8Mp+dL5+i/Dyv3ScV KeELX6grVTySZB3Fxgz/nzjg91hDaJsghJGDPMdMD4c8/909no4ANapzxCaGlnz7Bt RCDw/dWnPteYcceGqcnRprqL5Uy1Q65FGInPRq80= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485413696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29494ed3c29c3b93 --part1_63f0.6a84c4d4.3c051c9c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Brian ! Chrissi & Randi _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 11/28/2011 11:17:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, bktrub@aol.com writes: I bought a 40 amp nippondenso alternator from Romaine electric in Seattle, I changed out the smaller v drive pulley for a 3 inch poly V belt pulley that they had available there. The whole deal was about $140 iirc. By the way, I like your intake manifold. It is configured and looks like mine, but the execution is much neater. Brian Trubee -----Original Message----- From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 8:54 am Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CG Products Intake Manifold Chrissi, You may want to check out the Honda "SR20 power steering pulley" to use as an oversized alternator pulley. I used two of these for a while until I switched to the Renesis water pump and crank pulleys. They are 4" OD. They have splines in the shaft bore that will need to be removed, but other than that, they worked fine. They are steel, so they are bit heavier than their aluminum counterparts. I bought mine off ebay for < $20. Mark On 11/28/11, _CozyGirrrl@aol.com_ (mailto:CozyGirrrl@aol.com) <_CozyGirrrl@aol.com_ (mailto:CozyGirrrl@aol.com) > wrote: > Vendors just love it when people don't ask discretely back channel (where's > the sarcasm smiley?) > > Its a work in progress. Finished up to the point of everything on the hot > side. As we said earlier it will be a complete solution, not something that > is going to leave you with having to figure out the other half on your own. > In our case this has meant effective implementation and mounting of the > alternator(s). We are also using the renesis water pump which adds several > new wrinkles to the mix. > > -even with underdrive e-shaft pulleys you will be considerably overdiving > any automotive alternator in cruise. Our calculations worked out the need > for a 4" diameter alternator pulley(s), confirming Mark's choice. > Unfortunately Mark's chosen vendor has discontinued the pulley. We were not > able to > find another vendor making a 4"OD/15mm ID so we had our preferred vendor > (us) > make them since we needed 2 for our engine, 2 for the spare and 2 for the > show mockup. > > -The Samarai alternator fits on the renesis mounting boss but the pivot > bolt is smaller, Rather than drill out the alternator the boss should get > bushed out with stainless bushings. This aligns the alternator with the > water > pump. The alternator is flopped over to the cold side, this improves the > wrap of the belt and lowers the top profile. > > -the renesis alternator/WP combination does not align with e-shaft pulley > by something less than an inch. We are machining a spacer to move the whole > WP assy out the needed distance and all pulleys will be aligned. We have a > few renesis front covers to work out the CNC tool path for separating the > WP housing from the front cover. Its sort of a hairy job to do with a large > bandsaw and a couple of hours with a die grinder to clean them up. If you > have renesis front covers available we would be interested in buying them > to > use as cores. > > -This will determine the placement of the second alternator over on the > cold side running off of the forward e-shaft pulley. Then we can machine the > new side mount for the second alternator. The mount will be available in > two > configurations, one for a single alternator installation using the eshaft > pulley closest to the front cover and in this dual alternator configuration > using the other pulley. > > -finally this will determine what room is left for the plenum and throttle > body on the cold side. Convoluted getting there huh? > > -availability. Going to make it a priority over the winter to make some, > also have the gasket for a 20B to work out the flange for it. > > -Beta testers; ever notice they don't call them Crash Test Dummies in > aviation? > > Chrissi & Randi > _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (_http://www.cozygirrrl.com/_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) ) > CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware > Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop > > > In a message dated 11/27/2011 9:06:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, > _crobinson@medialantern.com_ (mailto:crobinson@medialantern.com) writes: > > On 11/27/2011 10:02 PM, Thomas Mann wrote: >> Check with the Cozy Girrrls. >> I saw their manifold at Airventure and it's a work of art! >> > I posted this publicly to try to get their egos going. =D I was in the > hangar today looking at my intake, just under half done, and saying > "wow, I really don't want to finish this now that I've seen what the > Girrrls have coming..." > > > -- > Homepage: _http://www.flyrotary.com/_ (http://www.flyrotary.com/) > Archive and UnSub: > _http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html_ (http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html) > > > -- Homepage: _http://www.flyrotary.com/_ (http://www.flyrotary.com/) Archive and UnSub: _http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html_ (http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html) --part1_63f0.6a84c4d4.3c051c9c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Brian !
 
Chrissi &=20 Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
C= G=20 Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop=
 
In a message dated 11/28/2011 11:17:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 bktrub@aol.com writes:
=
I bought a 40 amp nippondenso alternator from Romaine electric in=20 Seattle, I changed out the smaller v drive pulley for a 3 inch poly V bel= t=20 pulley that they had available there. The whole deal was about $140 iirc.= =20
 
By the way, I like your intake manifold. It is configured and looks = like=20 mine, but the execution is much neater.
 
Brian Trubee


---= --Original=20 Message-----
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rota= ry=20 motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov = 28,=20 2011 8:54 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CG Products Intake Manifold
<= BR> 
Chrissi,

You may want to check out the Honda "SR20 power steering pulley" to
use as an oversized alternator pulley.  I used two of these for a
while until I switched to the Renesis water pump and crank pulleys.
They are 4" OD.  They have splines in the shaft bore that will need to
be removed, but other than that, they worked fine.  They are steel, so
they are bit heavier than their aluminum counterparts.  I bought mine
off ebay for < $20.

Mark


On 11/28/11, CozyGirrrl@aol.com <CozyGirrrl@aol.com> wrote:
> Vendors just love it when people don't ask discretely back channel (wh=
ere's
>  the sarcasm smiley?)
>
> Its a work in progress. Finished up to the point of everything on the =
hot
> side. As we said earlier it will be a complete solution, not something=
 that
> is  going to leave you with having to figure out the other half on you=
r own.
> In our  case this has meant effective implementation and mounting of t=
he
> alternator(s).  We are also using the renesis water pump which adds se=
veral
> new wrinkles to the  mix.
>
> -even with underdrive e-shaft pulleys you will be considerably overdiv=
ing
> any automotive alternator in cruise. Our calculations worked out the n=
eed
> for a  4" diameter alternator pulley(s), confirming Mark's choice.
> Unfortunately Mark's  chosen vendor has discontinued the pulley. We we=
re not
> able to
> find another  vendor making a 4"OD/15mm ID so we had our preferred ven=
dor
> (us)
> make them since  we needed 2 for our engine, 2 for the spare and 2 for=
 the
> show mockup.
>
> -The Samarai alternator fits on the renesis mounting boss but the pivo=
t
> bolt is smaller, Rather than drill out the alternator the boss should =
get
> bushed  out with stainless bushings. This aligns the alternator with t=
he
> water
> pump. The  alternator is flopped over to the cold side, this improves =
the
> wrap of the belt  and lowers the top profile.
>
> -the renesis alternator/WP combination does not align with e-shaft pul=
ley
> by something less than an inch. We are machining a spacer to move the =
whole
> WP  assy out the needed distance and all pulleys will be aligned. We h=
ave a
> few  renesis front covers to work out the CNC tool path for separating=
 the
> WP housing  from the front cover. Its sort of a hairy job to do with a=
 large
> bandsaw and a  couple of hours with a die grinder to clean them up. If=
 you
> have renesis front  covers available we would be interested in buying =
them
> to
> use as cores.
>
> -This will determine the placement of the second alternator over on th=
e
> cold side running off of the forward e-shaft pulley. Then we can machi=
ne the
> new  side mount for the second alternator. The mount will be available=
 in
> two
>  configurations, one for a single alternator installation using the es=
haft
> pulley  closest to the front cover and in this dual alternator configu=
ration
> using the  other pulley.
>
> -finally this will determine what room is left for the plenum and thro=
ttle
> body on the cold side. Convoluted getting there huh?
>
> -availability. Going to make it a priority over the winter to make som=
e,
> also have the gasket for a 20B to work out the flange for it.
>
> -Beta testers; ever notice they don't call them Crash Test Dummies in
> aviation?
>
> Chrissi &  Randi
> _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/)
> CG  Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
> Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
>
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2011 9:06:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> crobinson@medialantern.com writes:
>
> On  11/27/2011 10:02 PM, Thomas Mann wrote:
>> Check with the Cozy  Girrrls.
>> I saw their manifold at Airventure and it's a work of  art!
>>
> I posted this publicly to try to get their egos going. =3DD I  was in =
the
> hangar today looking at my intake, just under half done, and  saying
> "wow, I really don't want to finish this now that I've seen what  the
> Girrrls have coming..."
>
>
> --
> Homepage:   http://www.flyrotary.com/
> Archive and UnSub:
> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html
>
>
>

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