X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.96] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5262020 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:48:39 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.91.96; envelope-from=CozyGirrrl@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pASFllJs017454 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:47:52 -0500 Received: from core-dsd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.129]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 46307E000093 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:47:52 -0500 (EST) From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Message-ID: <4bbf6.1b7f2b37.3c050728@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:47:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: CG Products Intake Manifold To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4bbf6.1b7f2b37.3c050728_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-Originating-IP: [69.154.217.40] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1322495272; bh=nf6lZtd3OVTvUpWwqiUn04BgcbStPMnT0DV/dBx+Xnk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=is4BhGkcXU/AYJeXaLagQx/QVzu9SB5mHeA7ssVwrIqphcTzvOIwCWRv/8LXXB6kq +AHyhLbUQ/aSyMNysH5kb1r+/STE3PbpG2uudlwM9mvCOlhAt1KbT5MtQuffkke8+h wV+aIW+cOasypU6KwpTG+yTALZsWcP7WzavWYd80= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460346336:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d4ed3ad284792 --part1_4bbf6.1b7f2b37.3c050728_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vendors just love it when people don't ask discretely back channel (where's the sarcasm smiley?) Its a work in progress. Finished up to the point of everything on the hot side. As we said earlier it will be a complete solution, not something that is going to leave you with having to figure out the other half on your own. In our case this has meant effective implementation and mounting of the alternator(s). We are also using the renesis water pump which adds several new wrinkles to the mix. -even with underdrive e-shaft pulleys you will be considerably overdiving any automotive alternator in cruise. Our calculations worked out the need for a 4" diameter alternator pulley(s), confirming Mark's choice. Unfortunately Mark's chosen vendor has discontinued the pulley. We were not able to find another vendor making a 4"OD/15mm ID so we had our preferred vendor (us) make them since we needed 2 for our engine, 2 for the spare and 2 for the show mockup. -The Samarai alternator fits on the renesis mounting boss but the pivot bolt is smaller, Rather than drill out the alternator the boss should get bushed out with stainless bushings. This aligns the alternator with the water pump. The alternator is flopped over to the cold side, this improves the wrap of the belt and lowers the top profile. -the renesis alternator/WP combination does not align with e-shaft pulley by something less than an inch. We are machining a spacer to move the whole WP assy out the needed distance and all pulleys will be aligned. We have a few renesis front covers to work out the CNC tool path for separating the WP housing from the front cover. Its sort of a hairy job to do with a large bandsaw and a couple of hours with a die grinder to clean them up. If you have renesis front covers available we would be interested in buying them to use as cores. -This will determine the placement of the second alternator over on the cold side running off of the forward e-shaft pulley. Then we can machine the new side mount for the second alternator. The mount will be available in two configurations, one for a single alternator installation using the eshaft pulley closest to the front cover and in this dual alternator configuration using the other pulley. -finally this will determine what room is left for the plenum and throttle body on the cold side. Convoluted getting there huh? -availability. Going to make it a priority over the winter to make some, also have the gasket for a 20B to work out the flange for it. -Beta testers; ever notice they don't call them Crash Test Dummies in aviation? Chrissi & Randi _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 11/27/2011 9:06:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, crobinson@medialantern.com writes: On 11/27/2011 10:02 PM, Thomas Mann wrote: > Check with the Cozy Girrrls. > I saw their manifold at Airventure and it's a work of art! > I posted this publicly to try to get their egos going. =D I was in the hangar today looking at my intake, just under half done, and saying "wow, I really don't want to finish this now that I've seen what the Girrrls have coming..." -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --part1_4bbf6.1b7f2b37.3c050728_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Vendors just love it when people don't ask discretely back channel (wh= ere's=20 the sarcasm smiley?)
 
Its a work in progress. Finished up to the point of everything on the = hot=20 side. As we said earlier it will be a complete solution, not something that= is=20 going to leave you with having to figure out the other half on your own. In= our=20 case this has meant effective implementation and mounting of the alternator= (s).=20 We are also using the renesis water pump which adds several new wrinkles to= the=20 mix.
 
-even with underdrive e-shaft pulleys you will be considerably overdiv= ing=20 any automotive alternator in cruise. Our calculations worked out the need f= or a=20 4" diameter alternator pulley(s), confirming Mark's choice. Unfortunately M= ark's=20 chosen vendor has discontinued the pulley. We were not able to find another= =20 vendor making a 4"OD/15mm ID so we had our preferred vendor (us) make them = since=20 we needed 2 for our engine, 2 for the spare and 2 for the show mockup.
 
-The Samarai alternator fits on the renesis mounting boss but the pivo= t=20 bolt is smaller, Rather than drill out the alternator the boss should get b= ushed=20 out with stainless bushings. This aligns the alternator with the water pump= . The=20 alternator is flopped over to the cold side, this improves the wrap of the = belt=20 and lowers the top profile.
 
-the renesis alternator/WP combination does not align with e-shaft pul= ley=20 by something less than an inch. We are machining a spacer to move the whole= WP=20 assy out the needed distance and all pulleys will be aligned. We have = a few=20 renesis front covers to work out the CNC tool path for separating the WP ho= using=20 from the front cover. Its sort of a hairy job to do with a large bandsaw an= d a=20 couple of hours with a die grinder to clean them up. If you have renesis fr= ont=20 covers available we would be interested in buying them to use as cores.
 
-This will determine the placement of the second alternator over on th= e=20 cold side running off of the forward e-shaft pulley. Then we can machine th= e new=20 side mount for the second alternator. The mount will be available in two=20 configurations, one for a single alternator installation using the eshaft p= ulley=20 closest to the front cover and in this dual alternator configuration using = the=20 other pulley.
 
-finally this will determine what room is left for the plenum and thro= ttle=20 body on the cold side. Convoluted getting there huh?
 
-availability. Going to make it a priority over the winter to make som= e,=20 also have the gasket for a 20B to work out the flange for it.
 
-Beta testers; ever notice they don't call them Crash Test Dummies in= =20 aviation?
 
Chrissi &=20 Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
C= G=20 Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop=
 
In a message dated 11/27/2011 9:06:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 crobinson@medialantern.com writes:
= On=20 11/27/2011 10:02 PM, Thomas Mann wrote:
> Check with the Cozy=20 Girrrls.
> I saw their manifold at Airventure and it's a work of=20 art!
>
I posted this publicly to try to get their egos going. = =3DD I=20 was in the
hangar today looking at my intake, just under half done, a= nd=20 saying
"wow, I really don't want to finish this now that I've seen wh= at=20 the
Girrrls have coming..."


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