Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #56171
From: Tom Walter <roundrocktom@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Injector Mixing Plate
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 11:50:27 -0700 (PDT)
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Bob,

Just to make sure we are on the same page, the things called "air bleeds" on this page:
http://www.mazdatrix.com/c-6.htm

As Ed pointed out, doesn't change the amount of fuel injected.

For emissions, the hardest part is transient changes of throttle and manifold wetting.
Spray fuel onto the manifold, and a wet puddle forms.  So the mixture might be lean
as fuel puddles, but lift of the throttle and high vacuum helps suck in fuel. Nice and
rich for a few events.   Neither are idea for emission reasons. 

With aircraft engines at a steady rpm, not an issue.  

So that is why the are there.

Tom Walter





From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 11:13 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Injector Mixing Plate

Hi Bob,
 
I have flow with and without the plastic injector "mixing" plates - I truly fully could not detect any measurable difference with/without.  The only thing I believe that might have been any different with the plates - it seemed the engine started smoother and quicker on colder mornings.
 
Since the mixing plate has no bearing on how much fuel is injected, but simply is to ensure better mixing of the primary injectors spray with the incoming air, I doubt they would make the engine run leaner. 
 
They might possibly have some minor effect on airflow (a tiny bit of a restriction) possibly causing some perturbation - but then that is what it is intended to do in order to get quicker and better fuel atomization.  Since the primary injectors have such a relative short path between injector in intake port - I suspect the Mazda engineers figured they would get slightly better fuel mileage with them.
 
FWIW
 
Ed
 
Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com

Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:33 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Injector Mixing Plate

I have a 1987 Mazda Turbo 13B engine in my Mustang II kit plane.  The primary injectors in the center housing are stock Nippon Denso 550 cc peak and hold.  Below each injector is a plastic insert called a “mixing plate”, which presumably disperses the fuel coming out of the injectors before entering the combustion chamber.  I am wondering if the obstruction in fuel flow caused by the grid on the mixing plate would make the engine run lean at higher engine speed, such as 5,000 to 6, 000 rpm.  If I used a different injector, such as the RC 550 cc (which has a better spray pattern), can I eliminate the mixing plates?   What happens if I keep the stock injectors and just remove the mixing plate?
 
I welcome comments from anyone on the list, but hopefully, racing Guru Lynn Hanover can shed some light on my questions.
 
Thanks,
 
Bob J. Rogers
N62BT


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