X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm18-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([66.94.236.23] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with SMTP id 4990110 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 20 May 2011 20:31:00 -0400 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.94.236.23; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2011 00:30:24 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.106] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2011 00:30:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2011 00:30:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 772682.25554.bm@omp1011.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 64301 invoked from network); 21 May 2011 00:30:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1305937824; bh=B4/8wK/DUekLtNo9WbAQcXqNR1OS4+2UGqmNTy9+LyQ=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=udB3XDapB1b59ZzWKEvDdZTUZVCt1HKQjBJzeFYt07sAPfUMzcOiRa5wifn/cZqYgOBCaCir4xTAuslEPmXjA5yS1OdcOqrjQsZ1fYOfVmPtYtQhLW+Izod/L3c2dLJGCRxmUJA2iZWr4kxfjO2mKXhZuIAocNtvGbv0j3EUlew= Received: from [192.168.1.2] (echristley@65.190.53.180 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2011 17:30:24 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: 40RP3pGswBDvPav1a.I8eMv.KS8bdgWBnCloVoKaow-- X-YMail-OSG: sT0x7PUVM1mJSqxK7NhBEOFQI_IpNNaSbfXZyljt2ueBcGb ijuffRKbp0mNF5I36H4SfpJPpNaBXLIasJ9kRYcFjVIPAXTLtm75EcmPCFYr cDphaOZIpNjZ3nTD2eAqOq1A3I3yFXVcmcmZpSP_9OcgXBNRYWFKUvxorEQK 3f4tzx03RjhY4Svk0mBxYtfkLrWibpCROr32giH3Cs0E6lvdY2YV_2IWMoqE Ftia4wUT2j3WOqAH5Bnmf87kS1oz3hS9by6hdCXrv19XdzFPvsi1UtrCZ19l XiYxGQqnLU6U7I0ohS2KiHjf44f.46Wgg8mlZu647J9aOwedoUmexqo893MH t9w93FCLDURd_eShoQm51sE97TCK1HPb0KMX6WxNh48oibM3taXj0aiouDgs DX0FKwPPPNVVe4S1wlHgNFlAeJEg8paJddk_D14aOP4nNGmSu4L5wwY1Nnvn bTFiMT1EO2UQUJ0pIdcRWJcse_iEyD7wLLpigd7F8Dj4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4DD7079A.2040004@nc.rr.com> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 20:30:18 -0400 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@att.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower experiment: FAIL References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 05/20/2011 07:27 PM, Ed Anderson wrote: > Mike, general centrifugal impeller such as used in turbocharger and > some superchargers are rev up to much higher rpm than the engine > operates at. Ernest concept involved using the engine rpm (direct > drive so to speak) which is much lower than the rpm these centrifugal > impellers require (for any useful pressure increase). So slower rpm > generally means larger impellers than commonly found in turbo or > superchargers. If not constrained to the engine rpm then yes, your > suggestion would have merit - on the other hand, there may be > impeller off superchargers of those big multirow radial engines of > WWII that would be large enough - probably hard to find and heavy. Not so hard to find: http://cgi.ebay.com/PRATT-WHITNEY-RADIAL-ENGINE-IMPELLER-/320701148172?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aab472c0c http://cgi.ebay.com/PRATT-WHITNEY-RADIAL-ENGINE-IMPELLER-/320701149501?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aab47313d and I also found this: http://cgi.ebay.com/TROY-BILT-TB4BP-BACKPACK-BLOWER-IMPELLER-FAN-753-05657-/270718363966?_trksid=p3286.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D71785288103015489 The problem is with cutting the most of the center out. Then it is just cantilevered blades stick up.