Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #55121
From: Terry Adams <terrywadams@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower experiment: FAIL
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 19:53:42 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Ernst,
I agree with Ed, good you gave it a try.  You learned some things while making the attempt. 
Perhaps testing with an electric motor might be good.
In our cabinet shop we had a dust collector which would really wind up in RPMs.  It was a cast impellor and housing and it was tough enough to suck up dust and wood chips.  Unfortunately that was years ago so I can't give you any details about RPM, suction, size, etc.  But have a look at a dust collector at a tool supply house, maybe you'll get some new ideas.

Terry Adams
N51079
KSCK

On 5/18/2011 3:53 PM, Ed Anderson wrote:
Hat off to you Ernest for giving it a try. 
 
Looking at some of the impellers in the article - it would appear that the size of the your blades, the distance between rear and front rings and their strength simply was insufficient to stand up under gyroscopic, centrifugal and air loads (you say you already know that?).  Seriously, I would say the structural rigidity and strength simply was not up to the loads - most of those impellers are cast or machined from a single piece.
 
Next try might look something like this? a bit less bite (less distance between your rings) would add to the rigidity and strength - I really like the idea that you gave it a try.  Clearly there is sufficient power there to do something with the right impeller.  I certainly liked your concept and placement of the impeller.
 
It took me about 5-6 intake experiments to finally get it right - so don't quit!
 
Ed
 
 


The airfoil type looked somewhat similar to your concept
 
Give it another go (later of course)
 
Ed

Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:29 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Blower experiment: FAIL

Some of you may recall my blower experiment.  Using the shaft between the flywheel and PSRU to drive a centrifugal fan to charge the intake.

My implementation died in the crib.  before.jpg shows what it looked like a week ago.  after.jpg is what was left of it after the few minutes I was able to get the engine to run.  Well, that wasn't all that was left over.  intake.jpg shows how the blades got thrown toward the intake and smashed up against the air filter.

Oh, well.  Until I can design and build or have built an impeller that can handle 8000RPM, I'm going to table this experiment.  I still think it is a good idea.  So did these guys:

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1942/1942%20-%200142.html

Furthermore, the calculator at http://www.forestryforum.com/members/donp/Blowercalc.htm indicates that with the 10.4" diameter, 3.35" deep area available for me to put a blower, I should be able to generate 17" water column pressure.


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