X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTP id 4986789 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 17 May 2011 19:50:20 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.207.164; envelope-from=Bktrub@aol.com Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p4HNnUcS032175 for ; Tue, 17 May 2011 19:49:30 -0400 Received: from Bktrub@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.fc5.1057bd69 (45497) for ; Tue, 17 May 2011 19:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.154]) by cia-mc08.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC084-d41a4dd309802f0; Tue, 17 May 2011 19:49:25 -0400 Received: from webmail-m027 (webmail-m027.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.210]) by smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD018-d41a4dd309802f0; Tue, 17 May 2011 19:49:20 -0400 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine Tuning Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 19:49:20 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 50.46.100.112 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bktrub@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--------MB_8CDE3042D2E9AC6_1FD0_699D_webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33668-STANDARD Received: from 50.46.100.112 by webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.210) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 17 May 2011 19:49:20 -0400 Message-Id: <8CDE3042D2776A3-1FD0-4670@webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Bktrub@aol.com ----------MB_8CDE3042D2E9AC6_1FD0_699D_webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CDE3042D2E9AC6_1FD0_699E_webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com" ----------MB_8CDE3042D2E9AC6_1FD0_699E_webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ed, Attached is my map table as of today after I tuned it tied down on the gr= ound. I have a 93 13BREW that is normally aspirated, it has 9.1/1 compress= ion, swinging a catto 74 dia x 88 pitch prop through a 2.85/1 PSRU. This= EC2 is set up to accomodate turbo engines, so I have addresses that go up= to 38 inHg. They are not used. I generally idle at MAP address 11 mp of 14.9 inHg. at around 1600rpm. Th= is is a 60 degree day at barometer setting of 30.3. Advancing the throttle= , the EC2 switches over to the high RPM table at MAP address 17 (mp 17.2),= going straight to address 80. My staging point is 84 (mp 19.1) from there= up to full throttle, MAP address 106 mp 29.1, the transition is smooth.= At full throttle on the ground I'm getting 5200 RPM. When I go much past= that RPM on takeoff, that's when the missing starts. I'm still guessing= that I need to richen up the mixture in the addresses above 106.=20 Any input from anyone on this would be appreciated. Brian Trubee -----Original Message----- From: Ed Anderson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 3:18 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine Tuning Brian, what values do you have in your fuel map around 90-105? I have= values of 172 for WOT and at times (cool OAT) I have to enrichen the mixt= ure beyond that with the manual mixture control =20 Ed From: bktrub@aol.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:35 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Engine Tuning Since the weather has been cooperating lately, I've had the opportunity to= put a few more hours on the airplane. On the ground, I can go from an idl= e up to full throttle and the engine will be smooth. But when I take off,= it seems that as soon as I'm up a few hundred feet off the runway, I get= hellacious backfiring at full throttle. I can mitigate it a bit by thrott= ling back to about 5100 rpm, and turning the mixture knob to near full ric= h. It's getting to be a bit nerve wracking to take off thinking I've got= it smoothed out and then get a series of hand grenades going off under my= butt. I'm thinking that I'm still running too lean up at map address 106= or so. So, I go into the edit page and richen up the mixture around those= addresses. I think I'm creeping up on smooth full throttle running. =20 The good news is that my coolant runs at 175 degrees and oil at less- so= the cooling is more than effective, I just need to close up my air inlet= a bit or restrict the outflow. =20 Brian Trubee ----------MB_8CDE3042D2E9AC6_1FD0_699E_webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Ed,
Attached is my map table as of today after I tuned it tied down  = ;on the ground. I have a 93 13BREW that is normally aspirated, it has 9.1/= 1 compression, swinging a catto 74 dia x 88 pitch prop through a 2.85/1 PS= RU. This EC2 is set up to accomodate turbo engines, so I have address= es that go up to 38 inHg. They are  not used.
 
 I generally idle at MAP address 11 mp of 14.9 inHg. at aro= und 1600rpm. This is a 60 degree day at barometer setting of 30.3. Advanci= ng the throttle, the EC2 switches over to the high RPM table at MAP a= ddress 17 (mp 17.2), going straight to address 80. My staging point is 84= (mp 19.1) from there up to full throttle, MAP address 106 mp 29.1, the tr= ansition is smooth. At full throttle on the ground I'm getting 5200 RPM.= When I go much past that RPM on takeoff, that's when the missing starts.= I'm still guessing that I need to richen up the mixture in the addresses= above 106.
 
Any input from anyone on this would be appreciated.
 
Brian Trubee
 


 


-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 3:18 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine Tuning

 Brian, what values do you have in your fuel= map around 90-105?   I have values of 172 for WOT and at times= (cool OAT) I have to enrichen the mixture beyond that with the manual mix= ture control
 
Ed

Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:35 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Engine Tuning


Since the weather has been cooperating lately, I've had the opportunity to= put a few more hours on the airplane. On the ground, I can go from an idl= e up to full throttle and the engine will be smooth. But when I take off,= it seems that as soon as I'm up a few hundred feet off the runway, I get= hellacious backfiring at full throttle. I can mitigate it a bit by thrott= ling back to about 5100 rpm, and turning the mixture knob to near full ric= h. It's getting to be a bit nerve wracking to take off thinking I've got= it smoothed out and then get a series of hand grenades going off under my= butt. I'm thinking that I'm still running too lean up at map address 106= or so. So, I go into the edit page and richen up the mixture around those= addresses. I think I'm creeping up on smooth full throttle running.
 
The good news is that my coolant runs at 175 degrees and oil at less-= so the cooling is more than effective, I just need to close up my air inl= et a bit or restrict the outflow.
 
Brian Trubee
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