X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.129.170.194] (HELO VIRCOM1.fcdata.private) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTP id 4983112 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 13 May 2011 20:03:19 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Received: from FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::697f:d6aa:b87:78d8]) by FCD-MAIL05.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::809d:a06e:5913:452e%15]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Fri, 13 May 2011 18:57:50 -0500 From: Chris Barber To: Rotary motors in aircraft CC: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 100LL in California Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: 100LL in California Thread-Index: AQHMEb3n4CSLQT1lW0iihUiM1OXr45SLcP+S Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 00:02:21 +0000 Message-ID: <556C7F3D-D48E-44D6-BA24-3D742E7C79FD@texasattorney.net> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_556C7F3DD48E44D6BA243D742E7C79FDtexasattorneynet_" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_000_556C7F3DD48E44D6BA243D742E7C79FDtexasattorneynet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I could never run for office and get elected.....I have OPINIONS!!! Chris Who is John Galt? Sent from my iPhone 4 On May 13, 2011, at 5:34 PM, "Dwayne Parkinson" > wrote: There's a very simple way to deal with ethanol and I'm not being facetious.= Every single EAA / AOPA / rotary group member should run for some kind of= office in 2012. ________________________________ From: Bill Bradburry > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 3:15 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 100LL in California Years ago, when this govt funded boondoggle first started, I looked into bu= ilding a still, er, ethanol processing plant. In order to avoid paying tax= es, the white lightening, er, ethanol, had to be immediately denatured. Th= e process of denaturing made the white lightening, er ethanol, unfit for dr= inking. This was done by pouring gasoline in it. The idea was that you co= uld not remove the gasoline after it was introduced. If this was good enough for the Revenuers, I suspect that it would not be p= ossible to remove the alcohol from the gas as well. Bill B ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Beh= alf Of Mark Steitle Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 3:38 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 100LL in California Well, if you don't blow yourself up in the process, you will now have low o= ctane gas for about $4.50/gallon. Then you'll need a method to transport i= t to the airport, then pump/pour it into your fuel tanks, again without blo= wing yourself up. From a risk-analysis perspective, it doesn't wash (pun i= ntended). I just don't see the benefit here. It would almost be easier to= fly to Oklahoma whenever I needed fuel for the airplane. Mark On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Ernest Christley <echristley@att.net> wrote: Bill Schertz wrote: Charlie is right, you can extract the ethanol with water. Best practice wou= ld be multiple small washings to reduce it to a negligible level, but octan= e would suffer. Also, your price of auto fuel just went up, because you are= sending some down the drain. Basically there is a partition coefficient for alcohol between gasoline and= water. Each time you add water, x% moves to the water. Thanks, Bill. That chemistry class in college was a LONG time ago for me. So, how long will it be before someone starts selling a system that allows = you to put contaminated gasoline in one end, have it add water and then cen= trifugally separate it, let the clean gasoline go out the other end, and di= still the water to reuse it? The ethanol would drive the distillation, and= the left-over could be mailed to the stupid politicians and lobbiest that = keep adulterating our gasoline. ("Here! You like it so much, you can have= it!") -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --_000_556C7F3DD48E44D6BA243D742E7C79FDtexasattorneynet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I could never run for office and get elected.....I have OPINIONS!!!

Chris
Who is John Galt?

Sent from my iPhone 4

On May 13, 2011, at 5:34 PM, "Dwayne Parkinson" <dwayneparkinson@yahoo.com> wrote:
There's a = very simple way to deal with ethanol and I'm not being facetious.  Every single EAA / AOPA / rotary group member should run for some ki= nd of office in 2012. 

From: Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net><= br> To: Rotary motors in aircr= aft <flyrotary@lancaironl= ine.net>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011= 3:15 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 1= 00LL in California

Fro= m: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 = 3:38 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircra= ft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 10= 0LL in California
 
Well, if you don't blow yourself up in the process, you = will now have low octane gas for about $4.50/gallon.  Then you'll need= a method to transport it to the airport, then pump/pour it into your fuel tanks, again without blow= ing yourself up.  From a risk-analysis perspective, it doesn't wash (p= un intended).  I just don't see the benefit here.  It would almos= t be easier to fly to Oklahoma whenever I needed fuel for the airplane.
 
Mark =  
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Ernest Christley <echristley@att.net> wrote:
Bill Schertz wrote:
Charl= ie is right, you can extract the ethanol with water. Best practice would be= multiple small washings to reduce it to a negligible level, but octane would suffer. Also, your price of auto fuel j= ust went up, because you are sending some down the drain.

Basically there is a partition coefficient for alcohol between gasoline and= water.  Each time you add water, x% moves to the water.=

Thanks, Bill.  That chemistry class in college was a LONG time ago for= me.

So, how long will it be before someone starts selling a system that allows = you to put contaminated gasoline in one end, have it add water and then cen= trifugally separate it, let the clean gasoline go out the other end, and di= still the water to reuse it?  The ethanol would drive the distillation, and the left-over could be mailed to= the stupid politicians and lobbiest that keep adulterating our gasoline. &= nbsp;("Here!  You like it so much, you can have it!")


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