X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from gluon.sasknet.sk.ca ([142.165.20.181] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTPS id 4983077 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 13 May 2011 19:02:14 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=142.165.20.181; envelope-from=hjjohnson@sasktel.net Received: from pps.filterd (gluon [127.0.0.1]) by gluon.sasknet.sk.ca (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id p4DMwnDY016832 for ; Fri, 13 May 2011 17:01:38 -0600 Received: from bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca (bgmpOMR1.sasknet.sk.ca [142.165.72.22]) by gluon.sasknet.sk.ca with ESMTP id w9cq61wps-1 for ; Fri, 13 May 2011 17:01:38 -0600 Received: from sasktel.net ([192.168.234.97]) by bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca (SaskTel eMessaging Service) with ESMTP id <0LL5005ETPAQMQ00@bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 13 May 2011 17:01:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.234.24] (Forwarded-For: [24.89.93.210]) by cgmail1.sasknet.sk.ca (mshttpd); Fri, 13 May 2011 17:01:38 -0600 Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 17:01:38 -0600 From: H & J Johnson Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Gasoline with 10% ethanol To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-id: <2419845418c5.4dcd63f2@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.1 HotFix 0.20 (built Feb 27 2006) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-05-13_06:2011-05-13,2011-05-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-1012030000 definitions=main-1105130184

The ticket certainly is in finding that compound that will adhere to the inside of the tank [w/out re-opening the wings] and is impervious to ethanol.

Sounds simple but to date I've not heard of anything that absolutely & conclusivly does these two things at the same time. I'm sure that a/the product

is in the works [someone will figure it out at some point] but what does a person do about the problem today?

Has anyone heard of anything that does this [a 'slosh' of some sort I'm assuming]??

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>

Date: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:13 pm

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Gasoline with 10% ethanol

> Jim,
>
> I believe you missed a step. How do you dispose of the 5 gallons of
> alcohol/water you drain off the original 50 gallons... make
> moonshine out of
> it?
>
> I think it would be more realistic to try and find a fuel tank
> slosh agent
> that would be compatible with ethanol, then slosh my tanks with
> the stuff.
> Then I could pump 10% ethanol mogas into containers and pour it
> directlyinto my a/c and then go fly.
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Jim Brewer <alpha@concordnc.com>
> wrote:
> > Guys,
> > Think about this: EAA Test for Ethanol
> >
> > HOW TO USE THE TESTER:
> >
> >   1. Add water precisely to zero level line on percentage
> alcohol scale on
> > side of tester.
> >   2. Add fuel to be tested up to the gas level line.
> >   3. Cap with thumb or stopper provided, shake vigorously to
> thoroughly> mix.
> >   4. Let stand 5-10 minutes, read percentage alcohol-in-fuel on
> scale of
> > 0-30% at line separating gasoline and water.
> >   5. The gauge on the side of the tube will read percentage of
> alcohol in
> > the tube.
> >
> > The way this test works is that you add an excess of water to
> the fuel and
> > the alcohol migrates into the water, thus separating from the
> gasoline> fraction. 5 gal = 18,927 ml and 10% of that would be
> 1,892.7 ml of alcohol
> > or slightly less than 2 liters. Rather than going to Nevada why
> not use
> > local gasoline and separate out the ethanol portion, filter the
> gasoline> through a filter that would remove any remaining ethanol
> and use the
> > gasoline in the aircraft. Agitation and decanting of the
> gasoline off of
> > the water portion should be easy to do. At $4.00 a gallon here
> on the east
> > coast it would be a 40 cent loss over the pump price but would
> be cheaper
> > than 100 LL. Do in 50 gallon batches as drums are readily
> available.> (Flame suit on)
> >
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