X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm20.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.147] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with SMTP id 4969605 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 06 May 2011 23:54:13 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.147; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2011 03:53:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.85] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2011 03:53:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2011 03:53:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 933585.75645.bm@omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 68809 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2011 03:53:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1304740418; bh=57OHBp1DIUzCoZ30pMLdG3wuKZe0cHMWnY0R/liFLJU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ei3sY3KAmW0ROeM4fh6MeMgPQuQ6Vtz3AgYSPhWh978YbgCs7tFaejozttA+8IZfcIQNz8FP235AOAIvoBgZNM+wntDkfp4Y31cW2IYRknlH6sKP/qWBYptnNpmVQBBJGdl+rGPD77MvYUNwZr3bpvwHMnYiHswLvvCHrLzUeWM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PDgfAndh2104PKSTGTJSWnpo/bKjDsHdv7S+Mr8I1DaSbsARUpvEpS7mhxm2HxVRTiikX+9imhwj3sBkOjyl+gH/t6LMaoyzc+IDGJsBEArx7Dlmg2S4CdptV7sqKsnui3Hh8+r6OTfVHSbbbtpSYd2IjICM5fblW5D0FjtZMbA=; Message-ID: <708366.67505.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Z5XEOREVM1kKU07KgVjqhdgofqhWIetp1meVCCbG_uH835r 4cNw3QxFEGl_vD9HXqaBpoHOEf2OD2_skkFCMANfWAyJ0xVBj4cxD5DNj4Pc fuxfXdYnPFBcvs3TFcW.b0pFhPndPIZpwsU.nAMxfNKJonQsxY3mrCtrl.6Z .dczYWnpmIUszrz0jepiP0PdlgcsXznqBvevnRRCOhDe15shBUGF.FZWoISP Kc.s9yXDYJckOYAM5sCzFgTAw0vLDRYRwkh2Q7Hi_mvnHIUqPfiW4jPGlzey wabU08.kTn8MFNUiLNdIlUUg5ECuIgkHN4A4wKBqSdxadanGbLerLw5xIt8Z 8Gb9k6ekUFufnFt7VU130xsH.UfvpliQ60c4b.PVFSLBXcH7YwziShfrvMpq IAITgKlruOvqY_M7JElt3BXJnwDoHBHCt_sC6hDXF9RoSJsVrI4kk8YKD2Oi hNTaIF7RpbRkOaCQgUnraDj4oI2d2LEaNJRFcFA-- Received: from [208.114.43.64] by web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 May 2011 20:53:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.110.299900 References: Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 20:53:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2140480814-1304740418=:67505" --0-2140480814-1304740418=:67505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jarrett,=0A=A0=A0=A0 Great just let me know if you can work it all out.....= ..........=0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTA= RY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURB= ONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom= : H & J Johnson =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Fri, May 6, 2011 10:40:58 PM=0ASubject: = [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)=0A=0A=0AKelly that= works also. I've actually got some stuff there that I need to pick =0Aup. = The bigger problem is how to declare it. I don't have a bill of sale and th= e =0Aimporting of them is part 1 of a multi issue situation. The second is = the return =0Ashipping/exporting... I think possibly I could send them down= from here via the =0Amail as a 'return for refund' type thing so that your= not charged import duty =0Aetc. I'm just not sure how to get around the im= port into Canada thing.. :)=A0 I'll =0Ahave to ask a couple people who are = versed w/ the Canadian customs thing [maybe =0AI'll just call the local bor= der office and explain the situation to them, I've =0Agot lots of emails I = can forward or print out to prove that I'm just borrowing =0Ait.. :) ]. =0A= =0ASending stuff across generally isn't an issue it just the 'circumstances= ' around =0Athis particular exchange.=A0 :)=0AAdam at Rx7 was fairly confid= ent he had a housing, we'll just have to wait and =0Asee. =0A=0A=0A=0AJarre= tt Johnson =0Awww.innovention-tech.com =0A=0A----- Original Message ----- F= rom: Kelly Troyer Date: Friday, =0AMay 6, 2011 6:07 pm Sub= ject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd =0ANeeded) > Jarrett= , =0A=0A> =0A> =A0=A0=A0 I see=A0Weyburn=A0is about 50 miles from the borde= r..........How =0A> far is it from =0A> the border to your friend =0A> in t= he states that you use to ship things to on occasion =0A> ?..............I = ask =0A> because rather than multiple =0A> shipping and handling by those w= e both do not know why don't=A0I box =0A> up both the =0A> Mistral plate , = the =0A> Renesis plate=A0and the Renesis pump and ship them to your friend = =0A> for you to pick =0A> up...........I would =0A> rather trust you with t= hem (especially the Mistral =0A> plate)..............I have =0A> no=A0worri= es about them being in =0A> =0A> your hands.............Since I am=A0a lot = responsible for getting =0A> you into this I =0A> will pay to ship them to = you =0A> if this arrangement=A0will work for you................If so you = =0A> will have to give =0A> me a few days to get to my =0A> hangar , box th= em up and ship..........I am 55miles from my hangar =0A> and have to =0A> m= ake arrangements =0A> to get away for a few hours............=A0 =0A> =0A> = =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I hope "RX7 Specialty's" has a 93-95 13BREW front =0A> hsg.= ..........My contact =0A> in Texas did not have =0A> one and I have one oth= er contact to try at this time.............. =0A> =0A> Best Regards, =0A> = =A0=A0 =0A> Kelly Troyer =0A> "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) =0A> "13B ROTAR= Y"_ Engine =0A> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 =0A> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold = =0A> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> __________________= ______________ =0A> From: To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A> Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 4:58:45 PM =0A> Subject: [FlyRotary]= Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) =0A> =0A> =0A> Sounds good. I= 'll give Rx7 Special a call here yet today and see =0A> where we get. =0A> = Also.. do you think you could have the Mistral parts as well as =0A> the Re= nisis =0A> front cover up to Tulsa by thursday if I had an address for you?= =0A> I'll refund all =0A> your shipping costs [you use Paypal?] =0A> The f= ella up there has a window where he may be able to get it =0A> done next we= ek. =0A> Also, do you have a Renisis water pump? =0A> =0A> Jarrett Johnson = =0A> www.innovention-tech.com =0A> =0A> ----- Original Message ----- From: = Kelly Troyer =0A> Date: Friday, =0A> May 6, 2011 3:10 pm S= ubject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front =0A> Side Hsd =0A> Needed) > Ja= rrett, =0A> =0A> > =A0=A0=A0=A0 I have a E mail out to a guy in Texas......= ....Waiting for =0A> a =0A> > reply=A0 =0A> > Kelly Troyer =0A> > "DYKE DEL= TA JD2" (Eventually) =0A> > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine =0A> > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 = =0A> > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold =0A> > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo = =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > ________________________________ =0A> > = From: H & J Johnson =0A> > To: Rotary motors in air= craft =0A> > Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:50:57 P= M =0A> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd =0A> Nee= ded) =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > Thanks Bryan, that is a bit steep for just a samp= le part I think =0A> > :)=A0 I guess I =0A> > could use that for a starting= point to build a ground up engine =0A> > but I'd prefer =0A> > not to buil= d an engine part by part. =0A> > I just had a idea pop in my head and that = is the guy in Calgary =0A> > who is a rotor =0A> > head [Rx7 specialty??] I= 'm pretty sure he would have a ruined =0A> > housing or two.. =0A> > whethe= r I can deal w/ him or not I dunno. =0A> > =0A> > The last time I contacted= him he was wanting crazy prices for =0A> > ruined parts [not =0A> > scrap = value for certain]. I'll have to call and see.. =0A> > =0A> > Jarrett Johns= on =0A> > www.innovention-tech.com =0A> > =0A> > ----- Original Message ---= -- From: Bryan Winberry =0A> > =0A> > Date: F= riday, May 6, 2011 2:47 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back- =0A> > plate (93-= 95 =0A> > Front Side Hsd Needed) > Jarrett, =0A> > =0A> > > =0A> > > Paul a= t Mazmart said that a new one was around 500! =0A> > > =0A> > > So, it look= s like we need to find a ruined unit. =0A> > > =0A> > > I have one more guy= I think I'll call, but doubt he has one. =0A> > > =0A> > > Bryan =0A> > > = =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > >=A0 _____=A0 =0A> > > =0A> > > From: Rotary motor= s in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] =0A> On =0A> > > Behalf Of H & = J Johnson =0A> > > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:39 PM =0A> > > To: Rotary m= otors in aircraft =0A> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front= Side Hsd =0A> > Needed) =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > Bryan, I think= for the Iron I'd like to get my hands on one to =0A> > > keep. If it =0A> = > > has to be a serviceable one.. that would be 'ok', however the =0A> > > = preference[due to cost] would be to get a un-servicable one, =0A> > > grant= ed its not TOO =0A> > > warped or something. I would use this for mock up a= nd assembly =0A> > > testing of =0A> > > the actual mount housing etc. =0A>= > > =0A> > > Jarrett Johnson =0A> > > www.innovention-tech.com =0A> > > = =0A> > > ----- Original Message ----- =0A> > > =0A> > > From: Bryan Winberr= y =0A> > > =0A> > > Date: Friday, May 6, 2011= 11:20 am =0A> > > =0A> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Fron= t Side Hsd =0A> > Needed) =0A> > > =0A> > > > Unfortunately, Mazmart did no= t have a third gen front =0A> plate.=A0 =0A> > > They =0A> > > > mighthave = had a serviceable one, but probably didn't want to =0A> > > take =0A> > > >= a chance on not =0A> > > > seeing it again.=A0 If someone else doesn't com= e up with one, =0A> > > > perhaps I can =0A> > > > try again.=A0 Jarrett, h= ow long would you need the piece?=A0 Or =0A> > were =0A> > > > you hoping = =0A> > > > to hang on to it? =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Bryan =0A> > > > =0A> > = > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > >=A0 _____=A0 =0A> > > > =0A> > > > From: Rotary mo= tors in aircraft =0A> [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] =0A> > On =0A> > > > Be= half Of Kelly Troyer =0A> > > > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 2:24 AM =0A> > >= > To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A> > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate= (93-95 Front Side Hsd =0A> Needed) =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> >= > > Marc, =0A> > > > =0A> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 The Mistral backplate is= for a Dynafocal Type 1 , 30 =0A> > > degree =0A> > > > mountring =0A> > > = > =0A> > > > which is standard for most Lycoming 0-320 & all 0 & I0-360 =0A= > > > engines =0A> > > > (that I =0A> > > > =0A> > > > am aware of)).......= .......The Dynafocal Type 2 , 18 degree =0A> > > mount =0A> > > > ring was = =0A> > > > =0A> > > > designed for a specific 0-320 engine installed in the= Twin =0A> > > > Comanche with =0A> > > > =0A> > > > an extra 2.5 inch exte= nded prop hub..............This put =0A> the =0A> > > > engine CG =0A> > > = > ahead =0A> > > > =0A> > > > the 30 degree mount focal point=A0 of approx = 14.25 inches so =0A> the =0A> > > 18 =0A> > > > degree =0A> > > > mount was= designed to again put the engine CG slightly =0A> behind =0A> > > the =0A>= > > > 18 degree =0A> > > > =0A> > > > focal point.............If your Card= inal has the type 2 , 18 =0A> > > > degree=A0 mount =0A> > > > then it =0A>= > > > =0A> > > > probably has a 0-320 with the extra pop hub =0A> length..= ........If =0A> > > not =0A> > > > maybeCessna =0A> > > > =0A> > > > got a = good deal on this particular 0-320 engine model back =0A> > > > then.......= ..Ifby =0A> > > > =0A> > > > chance your Cardinal has an 0-360 then all bet= s are off as I =0A> > > > haven't heard =0A> > > > =0A> > > > of a 0-360 mo= del with the Type 2 , 18 degree =0A> > > mount............<:) =0A> > > > = =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 As for the 93-95 13BREW front = side plate Bryan may have =0A> > > found =0A> > > > us an =0A> > > > =0A> >= > > unserviceable one............We will see............As many =0A> of = =0A> > > > these engnes =0A> > > > that =0A> > > > =0A> > > > have been ove= r-heated , over-boosted and over-reved we =0A> should =0A> > be =0A> > > > = able to =0A> > > > =0A> > > > come up with a junk one............. =0A> > >= > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Thanks Marc, =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A>= > > > =0A> > > > Kelly Troyer =0A> > > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) =0A= > > > > =0A> > > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine =0A> > > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 =0A> = > > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold =0A> > > > =0A> > > > "TURBONETICS"_= TO4E50 Turbo =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > = > >=A0 _____=A0 =0A> > > > =0A> > > > From: Marc Wiese =0A> > > > To: keltro@att.net =0A> > > > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:40:02 = PM =0A> > > > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side =0A= > Hsd =0A> > > Needed) =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Kelly, =0A> > > > =0A> > > > I= also have a type II dynafocal engine mount (from a =0A> Cardinal =0A> > > = RG!).. =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Marc =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > >= > From: Marc Wiese [cardmarc@charter.net] =0A> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 0= 5, 2011 8:37 PM =0A> > > > To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'; 'keltro@att.net= ' =0A> > > > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side =0A>= Hsd =0A> > > Needed) =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > I may hav= e one of those 13Brew "front plates", but it is =0A> > > "useable". =0A> > = > > =0A> > > > I too would like a dynafocal type II mount...for both of my = =0A> > > > 13Brews and the =0A> > > > 20B. =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Marc =0A> = > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>= [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] =0A> > On =0A> > > > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer = =0A> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:09 PM =0A> > > > To: Rotary moto= rs in aircraft =0A> > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front = Side Hsd =0A> > > Needed) =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > To Th= e Rotary Group, =0A> > > > =0A> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 Yes I know I am a trouble= maker (too much computer time =0A> > > > available with =0A> > > > my day j= ob) and some of you are probably sick of all my =0A> posts =0A> > > > !!...= ..........."But" with that being said one of our group =0A> is =0A> > > > s= eriouslyconsidering the development of a "Mistral" type =0A> > > > =0A> > >= > back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" =0A> > "Dynafocal = =0A> > > > type 1" =0A> > > > engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bol= t-on" to the =0A> > > > =0A> > > > 93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the R= enesis 13B =0A> > > > Rotarys.............Several builders and potentials h= ave =0A> > > indicated =0A> > > > they =0A> > > > would be interested in su= ch a back-plate (including =0A> > > > me)............I have =0A> > > > one = of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in the =0A> > > > =0A> > > >= hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It =0A> is =0A> > = > > severely over =0A> > > > engineered for our use (and overpriced) and ha= s many =0A> > > > =0A> > > > features we do not need........... =0A> > > > = =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > >=A0=A0=A0 If you have followed "Back-plate"= string of posts =0A> recently =0A> > > you =0A> > > > know that =0A> > > >= Jarrett Johnson one our group with aspirations to =0A> > > > =0A> > > > in= stall a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussion =0A> > first =0A> >= > > about an =0A> > > > developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotary= s =0A> > > > =0A> > > > (which needs to be done also) then I jumped in and = said that =0A> a =0A> > > > common engine =0A> > > > mount design might als= o be needed and if =0A> > > > =0A> > > > you have been reading the posts la= tely a lot of info has =0A> been =0A> > > > kicked around =0A> > > > about = the various Rotarys and what it will take to "Marry" =0A> the =0A> > > > "M= istral"back-plate with a "RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with =0A> the =0A> > > = > magic of digital =0A> > > > scanning & CAD) to design =0A> > > > =0A> > >= > such a back-plate......... =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > >= =A0=A0=A0=A0 Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several =0A> year= s =0A> > > > may remember =0A> > > > Jarrett posting his trials and tribula= tions in =0A> > > > =0A> > > > building a huge CAM mill (at home)..........= ...He is a =0A> > > commercial =0A> > > > designerwith the talent and equip= ment (including foundry) =0A> > > > =0A> > > > to pull this off............= I have offered my "Mistral" back- =0A> =0A> > > plate =0A> > > > to be =0A>= > > > scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to do =0A> > > > =0A= > > > > the=A0 job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover to =0A> > > > s= can............What we =0A> > > > really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front s= ide =0A> > > > =0A> > > > housing (unusable condition preferred as long as = front side =0A> is =0A> > > > undamaged) to =0A> > > > put in his hands as = this is what the back-plate =0A> > > > =0A> > > > will bolt to.............= .If someone in the group has an =0A> > > unusable =0A> > > > 93-95 =0A> > >= > 13BREW front side housing they will donate I will pay =0A> > > > =0A> > = > > to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact =0A> me =0A>= > > off =0A> > > > the forum =0A> > > > if you would prefer..........I hav= e no horse in this race =0A> > > > =0A> > > > I would just like to see such= a product be made available to =0A> > the =0A> > > > group.......... =0A> = > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > keltro@att.net =0A> > > > =0A> > > >= =A0=A0=A0 =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Kelly Troyer =0A> > > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (E= ventually) =0A> > > > =0A> > > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine =0A> > > > "RWS"_RD1C= /EC2/EM2 =0A> > > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold =0A> > > > =0A> > > > = "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A>= > > > =0A> > > >=A0 _____=A0 =0A> > > > =0A> > > > From: Kelly Troyer =0A> > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A> > > > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM =0A> > > > Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Jarrett, =0A> > > > =0A> >= > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > >=A0=A0=A0 Will be a good idea to scan both the Mi= stral and Renesis =0A> > > > housings.............You really need =0A> > > = > =0A> > > > a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to =0A>= > > > scan.............Most of my 13B =0A> > > > =0A> > > > engines are 86= -91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable but =0A> > > lacks =0A> > > > som= e of =0A> > > > the machined bolt =0A> > > > =0A> > > > and stud pads of th= e 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side =0A> > > > housing which =0A> > >= > you need =0A> > > > =0A> > > > to make allowances for on the redesigned = back-plate if you =0A> > want =0A> > > it =0A> > > > to fit =0A> > > > all = three versions of =0A> > > > =0A> > > > these engines..................Thro= w this out to the group =0A> and =0A> > > see if =0A> > > > someone has a 1= 993-95 =0A> > > > =0A> > > > 13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) the= y would donate =0A> > or =0A> > > > lend to the =0A> > > > project.........= =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > >=A0=A0 You really need this fro= nt side housing in front of =0A> > > > you......... Even =0A> > > > with al= l the scans nothing =0A> > > > =0A> > > > beats having the actual hardware.= ...........IMHO =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Best Regards, = =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Kelly Troyer =0A> > > > "DYKE D= ELTA JD2" (Eventually) =0A> > > > =0A> > > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine =0A> > > = > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 =0A> > > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold =0A> > > >= =0A> > > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A= > > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > >=A0 _____=A0 =0A> > > > =0A> > > > From: H & J= Johnson =0A> > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <= flyrotary@lancaironline.net> =0A> > > > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM = =0A> > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Evenin= g Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. =0A> I =0A> > > did = =0A> > > > find a =0A> > > > fella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scann= er. He's =0A> getting =0A> > > me some =0A> > > > pricing =0A> > > > =0A> >= > > on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it =0A> > migh= t =0A> > > > be a good =0A> > > > idea to get both the Mistral housing as w= ell as a Renisis =0A> > Front =0A> > > Cover =0A> > > > scanned? =0A> > > >= =0A> > > > I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to =0A>= the =0A> > > > front cover] =0A> > > > scanned as well but don't know if y= ou've got one handy [as =0A> in, =0A> > > not =0A> > > > 'in' an =0A> > > >= engine]. I could always =0A> > > > =0A> > > > do it here in time but that = might take a bit before I get my =0A> > > hands =0A> > > > on one =0A> > > = > that is not in an engine. =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > I'l= l keep you posted as this goes and see where we get. =0A> > > > =0A> > > > = Jarrett Johnson =0A> > > > www.innovention-tech.com =A0 =0A> > > > =0A> > > > --=A0=A0=A0 Homepage:=A0 http://www.fl= yrotary.com/=A0=A0=A0 Archive and =0A> > UnSub: =0A> > > > http://mail.lanc= aironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html =0A> > > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A= > > > -- =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyrot= ary.com/ =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > Archive and UnSub: =0A> > > ht= tp://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html =0A> > > =0A> > --= =A0 Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/=A0 Archive and UnSub:=A0=A0 =0A>= > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html =0A> --=A0=A0= =A0 Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/=A0=A0=A0 Archive and UnSub:=A0= =A0 =0A> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html =0A-- = Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: =0Ahttp://mail.l= ancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --0-2140480814-1304740418=:67505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    Great just= let me know if you can work it all out...............
 
=0AKelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD= 1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E5= 0 Turbo

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=0AFrom: = H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancair= online.net>
Sent: Fri= , May 6, 2011 10:40:58 PM
Subject:<= /SPAN> [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)

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Kelly that works also. I've actually got some stuff there that= I need to pick up. The bigger problem is how to declare it. I don't have a= bill of sale and the importing of them is part 1 of a multi issue situatio= n. The second is the return shipping/exporting... I think possibly I could = send them down from here via the mail as a 'return for refund' type thing s= o that your not charged import duty etc. I'm just not sure how to get aroun= d the import into Canada thing.. :)  I'll have to ask a couple people = who are versed w/ the Canadian customs thing [maybe I'll just call the loca= l border office and explain the situation to them, I've got lots of emails = I can forward or print out to prove that I'm just borrowing it.. :) ].

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Sending stuff across generally isn't an issue it just the 'circumstan= ces' around this particular exchange.  :)

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Adam at Rx7 was fai= rly confident he had a housing, we'll just have to wait and see.

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=

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

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----- O= riginal Message ----- =0A

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@at= t.net> =0A

Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 6:07 pm =0A

S= ubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) =0A

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> Jarrett,
>
>     I see = ;Weyburn is about 50 miles from the border..........How
> far i= s it from
> the border to your friend
> in the states that yo= u use to ship things to on occasion
> ?..............I ask
> = because rather than multiple
> shipping and handling by those we bot= h do not know why don't I box
> up both the
> Mistral pl= ate , the
> Renesis plate and the Renesis pump and ship them to= your friend
> for you to pick
> up...........I would
>= ; rather trust you with them (especially the Mistral
> plate).......= .......I have
> no worries about them being in
>
>= ; your hands.............Since I am a lot responsible for getting
= > you into this I
> will pay to ship them to you
> if this= arrangement will work for you................If so you
> will have to give
> me a few days to get to my
> hangar , box the= m up and ship..........I am 55miles from my hangar
> and have to > make arrangements
> to get away for a few hours............&nb= sp;
>
>       I hope "RX7 Specialty'= s" has a 93-95 13BREW front
> hsg...........My contact
> in T= exas did not have
> one and I have one other contact to try at this = time..............
>
> Best Regards,
>    > Kelly Troyer
> "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> "13B RO= TARY"_ Engine
> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold
> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
>
>
> >
> ________________________________
> From: To: Rotary m= otors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Fri, M= ay 6, 2011 4:58:45 PM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)
>
>
> Sounds good. I'll= give Rx7 Special a call here yet today and see
> where we get.
= > Also.. do you think you could have the Mistral parts as well as
&g= t; the Renisis
> front cover up to Tulsa by thursday if I had an add= ress for you?
> I'll refund all
> your shipping costs [you us= e Paypal?]
> The fella up there has a window where he may be able to= get it
> done next week.
> Also, do you have a Renisis water= pump?
>
> Jarrett Johnson
> www.innovention-tech.com =
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly Troyer <keltr= o@att.net>
> Date: Friday,
> May 6, 2011 3:10 pm Subject: = [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front
> Side Hsd
> Needed) >= Jarrett,
>
> >      I have a E mail o= ut to a guy in Texas..........Waiting for
> a
> > reply 
> > Kelly Troyer
> > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eve= ntually)
> > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM= 2
> > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > "TURBONETICS= "_TO4E50 Turbo
> >
> >
> >
> >
= > > ________________________________
> > From: H & J Jo= hnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
> > To: Rotary motors in airc= raft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > Sent: Fri, May 6, 20= 11 3:50:57 PM
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Fron= t Side Hsd
> Needed)
> >
> >
> > Thank= s Bryan, that is a bit steep for just a sample part I think
> > := )  I guess I
> > could use that for a starting point to buil= d a ground up engine
> > but I'd prefer
> > not to buil= d an engine part by part.
> > I just had a idea pop in my head and that is the guy in Calgary
> > who is a rotor
> = > head [Rx7 specialty??] I'm pretty sure he would have a ruined
>= > housing or two..
> > whether I can deal w/ him or not I dun= no.
> >
> > The last time I contacted him he was wantin= g crazy prices for
> > ruined parts [not
> > scrap valu= e for certain]. I'll have to call and see..
> >
> > Jar= rett Johnson
> > www.innovention-tech.com
> >
> = > ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Winberry
> > <br= yanwinberry@bellsouth.net>
> > Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 2:47 = pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-
> > plate (93-95
> > = Front Side Hsd Needed) > Jarrett,
> >
> > >
&= gt; > > Paul at Mazmart said that a new one was around 500!
> = > >
> > > So, it looks like we need to find a ruined unit.
> > >
> > > I have one more guy I t= hink I'll call, but doubt he has one.
> > >
> > >= Bryan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> &g= t; >  _____ 
> > >
> > > From: Rotar= y motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> On
> >= ; > Behalf Of H & J Johnson
> > > Sent: Friday, May 06,= 2011 4:39 PM
> > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> >= ; > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> &= gt; Needed)
> > >
> > >
> > >
&g= t; > > Bryan, I think for the Iron I'd like to get my hands on one to=
> > > keep. If it
> > > has to be a serviceable = one.. that would be 'ok', however the
> > > preference[due to = cost] would be to get a un-servicable one,
> > > granted its not TOO
> > > warped or something. I would use th= is for mock up and assembly
> > > testing of
> > >= ; the actual mount housing etc.
> > >
> > > Jarre= tt Johnson
> > > www.innovention-tech.com
> > > <= BR>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> = > > From: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net>
>= > >
> > > Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 11:20 am
> &= gt; >
> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Fron= t Side Hsd
> > Needed)
> > >
> > > >= Unfortunately, Mazmart did not have a third gen front
> plate. = ;
> > > They
> > > > mighthave had a serviceab= le one, but probably didn't want to
> > > take
> > &= gt; > a chance on not
> > > > seeing it again.  If someone else doesn't come up with one,
> > > = > perhaps I can
> > > > try again.  Jarrett, how lo= ng would you need the piece?  Or
> > were
> > >= > you hoping
> > > > to hang on to it?
> > &g= t; >
> > > > Bryan
> > > >
> >= > >
> > > >
> > > >  _____ = ;
> > > >
> > > > From: Rotary motors in ai= rcraft
> [flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> > On
> >= ; > > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
> > > > Sent: Friday, Ma= y 06, 2011 2:24 AM
> > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd=
> Needed)
> > > >
> > > >
> = > > >
> > > > Marc,
> > > >
> > > >       The Mistral ba= ckplate is for a Dynafocal Type 1 , 30
> > > degree
> &= gt; > > mountring
> > > >
> > > > whi= ch is standard for most Lycoming 0-320 & all 0 & I0-360
> &g= t; > engines
> > > > (that I
> > > > > > > > am aware of))..............The Dynafocal Type 2 , 18 d= egree
> > > mount
> > > > ring was
> &g= t; > >
> > > > designed for a specific 0-320 engine i= nstalled in the Twin
> > > > Comanche with
> > &g= t; >
> > > > an extra 2.5 inch extended prop hub........= ......This put
> the
> > > > engine CG
> >= > > ahead
> > > >
> > > > the 30 deg= ree mount focal point  of approx 14.25 inches so
> the
> > > 18
> > > > degree
> > > &g= t; mount was designed to again put the engine CG slightly
> behind <= BR>> > > the
> > > > 18 degree
> > > = >
> > > > focal point.............If your Cardinal has t= he type 2 , 18
> > > > degree  mount
> > >= ; > then it
> > > >
> > > > probably has= a 0-320 with the extra pop hub
> length..........If
> > &= gt; not
> > > > maybeCessna
> > > >
>= ; > > > got a good deal on this particular 0-320 engine model back=
> > > > then.........Ifby
> > > >
>= > > > chance your Cardinal has an 0-360 then all bets are off as = I
> > > > haven't heard
> > > >
> &g= t; > > of a 0-360 model with the Type 2 , 18 degree
> > > mount............<:)
> > > >
> > &g= t; >
> > > >
> > > >   &n= bsp; As for the 93-95 13BREW front side plate Bryan may have
> > = > found
> > > > us an
> > > >
> &= gt; > > unserviceable one............We will see............As many <= BR>> of
> > > > these engnes
> > > > tha= t
> > > >
> > > > have been over-heated , o= ver-boosted and over-reved we
> should
> > be
> >= ; > > able to
> > > >
> > > > come up= with a junk one.............
> > > >
> > > &g= t;
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Marc,
> &g= t; > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > = > > Kelly Troyer
> > > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > > >
> > > > "13B ROTARY"_= Engine
> > > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > > > = "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > > >
> > >= > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > > >
> > >= >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > &g= t;
> > > >  _____ 
> > > >
&g= t; > > > From: Marc Wiese <cardmarc@charter.net>
> &g= t; > > To: keltro@att.net
> > > > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2= 011 8:40:02 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-pl= ate (93-95 Front Side
> Hsd
> > > Needed)
> >= > >
> > > > Kelly,
> > > >
> = > > > I also have a type II dynafocal engine mount (from a
>= ; Cardinal
> > > RG!)..
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > > >
> > > &g= t;
> > > >
> > > > From: Marc Wiese [cardma= rc@charter.net]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:37 P= M
> > > > To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'; 'keltro@att.net'=
> > > > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Fro= nt Side
> Hsd
> > > Needed)
> > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I may = have one of those 13Brew "front plates", but it is
> > > "usea= ble".
> > > >
> > > > I too would like a dy= nafocal type II mount...for both of my
> > > > 13Brews and = the
> > > > 20B.
> > > >
> > >= > Marc
> > > >
> > > >
> > &g= t; >
> > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> [flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> > On
> > >= > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 0= 4, 2011 6:09 PM
> > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
&= gt; > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hs= d
> > > Needed)
> > > >
> > > >= ;
> > > >
> > > > To The Rotary Group,
= > > > >
> > > >     Yes I k= now I am a troublemaker (too much computer time
> > > > ava= ilable with
> > > > my day job) and some of you are probabl= y sick of all my
> posts
> > > > !!.............."Bu= t" with that being said one of our group
> is
> > > >= ; seriouslyconsidering the development of a "Mistral" type
> > &g= t; >
> > > > back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming"
> > "Dynafocal
> > > > type = 1"
> > > > engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-o= n" to the
> > > >
> > > > 93-95 13BREW , Co= smo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B
> > > > Rotarys......= .......Several builders and potentials have
> > > indicated > > > > they
> > > > would be interested in s= uch a back-plate (including
> > > > me)............I have <= BR>> > > > one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up i= n the
> > > >
> > > > hands of experimenter= s (waited 2 years for it)..........It
> is
> > > > s= everely over
> > > > engineered for our use (and overpriced= ) and has many
> > > >
> > > > features we = do not need...........
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    If = you have followed "Back-plate" string of posts
> recently
> &= gt; > you
> > > > know that
> > > > Jarr= ett Johnson one our group with aspirations to
> > > >
&= gt; > > > install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussio= n
> > first
> > > > about an
> > > &= gt; developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys
> > &= gt; >
> > > > (which needs to be done also) then I jumpe= d in and said that
> a
> > > > common engine
>= ; > > > mount design might also be needed and if
> > >= ; >
> > > > you have been reading the posts lately a lot= of info has
> been
> > > > kicked around
> &= gt; > > about the various Rotarys and what it will take to "Marry"
> the
> > > > "Mistral"back-plate with a "R= X8 "Renesis" water-pump (with
> the
> > > > magic of= digital
> > > > scanning & CAD) to design
> >= ; > >
> > > > such a back-plate.........
> >= ; > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > &= gt; >     Those that have been on the Rotary forum f= or several
> years
> > > > may remember
> >= ; > > Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in
> > &g= t; >
> > > > building a huge CAM mill (at home).........= ....He is a
> > > commercial
> > > > designerw= ith the talent and equipment (including foundry)
> > > > > > > > to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistra= l" back-
>
> > > plate
> > > > to be
> > > > scanned (He trying to find someone here in O= kla to do
> > > >
> > > > the  job) an= d I also have a "Renesis" front cover to
> > > > scan......= ......What we
> > > > really need now is a 93-95 13BREW fro= nt side
> > > >
> > > > housing (unusable c= ondition preferred as long as front side
> is
> > > >= ; undamaged) to
> > > > put in his hands as this is what th= e back-plate
> > > >
> > > > will bolt to..= ............If someone in the group has an
> > > unusable
= > > > > 93-95
> > > > 13BREW front side housing= they will donate I will pay
> > > >
> > > >= ; to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact
> me > > > off
> > > > the forum
> > > > if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this race
&g= t; > > >
> > > > I would just like to see such a p= roduct be made available to
> > the
> > > > group= ..........
> > > >
> > > >
> > &g= t; >
> > > > keltro@att.net
> > > >
= > > > >   
> > > >
> >= > > Kelly Troyer
> > > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventuall= y)
> > > >
> > > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > > > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > > > "MISTRAL"_B= ackplate/Oil Manifold
> > > >
> > > > "TURB= ONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > > >
> > > >
&= gt; > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>= > > >  _____ 
> > > >
> > > > From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> > >= ; > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> > > > > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM
> > >= > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate
> > > >
> = > > > Jarrett,
> > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > >    Will be a go= od idea to scan both the Mistral and Renesis
> > > > housin= gs.............You really need
> > > >
> > > &= gt; a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to
> >= > > scan.............Most of my 13B
> > > >
>= > > > engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable but=
> > > lacks
> > > > some of
> > >= ; > the machined bolt
> > > >
> > > > and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side
>= > > > housing which
> > > > you need
> >= ; > >
> > > > to make allowances for on the redesigne= d back-plate if you
> > want
> > > it
> > = > > to fit
> > > > all three versions of
> >= ; > >
> > > > these engines..................Throw th= is out to the group
> and
> > > see if
> > &g= t; > someone has a 1993-95
> > > >
> > > &g= t; 13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate
> &g= t; or
> > > > lend to the
> > > > project..= .......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > = >
> > > >   You really need this front side ho= using in front of
> > > > you......... Even
> > > > with all the scans nothing
> > > >
>= > > > beats having the actual hardware............IMHO
> &= gt; > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >= > > Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > Kelly Troyer
> > &g= t; > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > > >
> >= > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 =
> > > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > >= >
> > > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > >= >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > &g= t;
> > > >
> > > >  _____ 
&g= t; > > >
> > > > From: H & J Johnson <hjjoh= nson@sasktel.net>
> > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > > > Sent:= Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM
> > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] = Re: Back-plate
> > > >
> > > > Evening Kell= y, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update.
> I
> > &= gt; did
> > > > find a
> > > > fella in Tul= sa who has access to a laser scanner. He's
> getting
> > &= gt; me some
> > > > pricing
> > > >
>= ; > > > on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it=
> > might
> > > > be a good
> > > &= gt; idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis
> >= Front
> > > Cover
> > > > scanned?
> &= gt; > >
> > > > I'd like to get an Iron [preferably t= he side that mates to
> the
> > > > front cover]
> > > > scanned as well but don't know if you've go= t one handy [as
> in,
> > > not
> > > >= 'in' an
> > > > engine]. I could always
> > >= >
> > > > do it here in time but that might take a bit = before I get my
> > > hands
> > > > on one > > > > that is not in an engine.
> > > >
= > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'll ke= ep you posted as this goes and see where we get.
> > > > > > > > Jarrett Johnson
> > > > www.innoventi= on-tech.com <http://www.innovention-tech.com/> 
> > &g= t; >
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