X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from proton.sasknet.sk.ca ([142.165.20.178] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTPS id 4967316 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 05 May 2011 01:09:39 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=142.165.20.178; envelope-from=hjjohnson@sasktel.net Received: from pps.filterd (proton [127.0.0.1]) by proton.sasknet.sk.ca (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id p4558TqU001241 for ; Wed, 4 May 2011 23:09:02 -0600 Received: from bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca (bgmpOMR1.sasknet.sk.ca [142.165.72.22]) by proton.sasknet.sk.ca with ESMTP id w3m28jprn-1 for ; Wed, 04 May 2011 23:09:02 -0600 Received: from sasktel.net ([192.168.234.97]) by bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca (SaskTel eMessaging Service) with ESMTP id <0LKP006WOIB205G0@bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 04 May 2011 23:09:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.234.25] (Forwarded-For: [71.17.120.86]) by cgmail1.sasknet.sk.ca (mshttpd); Wed, 04 May 2011 23:09:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 23:09:02 -0600 From: H & J Johnson Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Backplate (93-95 13BREW front side hsg needed) To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-id: <4c8071917af.4dc1dc8e@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.1 HotFix 0.20 (built Feb 27 2006) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-05-04_09:2011-05-04,2011-05-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-1012030000 definitions=main-1105040216

I've gotta get ahold of the one localy [don't know the year yet] .. just gotta track down his number and go get it [think he wanted a couple hundred bucks for the whole car]

Where would a guy go to find the break down of what engines were in what cars [years vs models etc]. I've never understood the naming thing and how it applies to what.

The right one will turn up I'm sure :)

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>

Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 10:29 pm

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Backplate (93-95 13BREW front side hsg needed)

> Jarrett,
>      Figured it did not get past you............I still think you
> need a 93-95
> 13BREW front side hsg
> in house..............Should not be that great a problem to find a
> junk
> unserviceable one..........
>      I will keep working on finding one..........
>
> Kelly Troyer
> "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:59:20 PM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
>
>
> I have Kelly, it's in my 'Mount Housing' folder w/ a huge number
> of other emails
> :)
> Still haven't heard back from this fella in Tulsa, I might have to
> give him a
> little prod and
> see how things are shaping up. If not I'm pretty sure there are
> others [possibly
> into Tx] who
> would have the equipment to get the job done.
>
> Jarrett Johnson
> www.innovention-tech.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> Date:
> Wednesday, May 4, 2011 5:22 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump
> housing >
> Jarrett,
>
> >     Hope you have made note of what Mark said about the Renesis
> > front cover
> > not clearing the front counterweight of the Cosmo 20B...........
> >
> > Kelly Troyer
> > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:42:40 AM
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
> >
> >
> > Kelly/Tom,
> >
> > You are correct that the Renesis front cover can be made to fit
> on
> > a 13B/20B,
> > but the pan bolts are a different pattern which will require
> > modification to
> > your oil pan. Also, the 20B front counterweight is larger than
> > the Renesis
> > causing the cover to interfere with the 20B's
> > front counterweight. Material
> > will need to be milled out for the cover to fit, but in doing
> > that, you will end
> > up cutting through the cover which will require tig welding the
> > holes. Finally,
> > the RX-8 front cover is heavier than the 13B/20B front cover
> with
> > Renesis water
> > pump. Personally, I don't see an advantage to using the Renesis
> > front cover.
> >
> >
> > Mark S.
> > (Been there, done that.)
> >
> > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Tom,
> > >
> > >    One additional thing comes to my mind...........I do not
> have
> > a RX8 Renesis
> > >front side
> > >housing (cast iron) but from all of my research of photos I am
> > fairly confident
> > >that the
> > >RX8 front housing (aluminum) will bolt directly to the 93-
> > 95 13BREW and Cosmo
> > >13B
> > >and 20B with some minor mods (to possibly clear bolt heads on
> the
> > 20B front side
> > >hsg)
> > >and the drilling and threading of 1 to 3 existing bosses for 8
> mm
> > x 1.25 studs
> > >or bolts..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Kelly Troyer
> > >"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > >"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > >"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > >"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > >"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> > >
> > >To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > >Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:32:44 AM
> > >
> > >Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Tom,
> > >   Source for pump with improved impeller...........They also
> > have used pump and
> > >eccentric shaft pulleys......
> > >"Mazmart" is located in Atlanta, GA............
> > >
> > > http://www.mazmart.com/PartsList.aspx?id=27&n=NEW&m=6
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Kelly Troyer
> > >"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > >"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > >"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > >"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > >"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Tom Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net>
> > >To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > >Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:17:50 AM
> > >Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
> > >
> > >
> > >Thanks Again!!
> > >
> > >Kind Regards
> > >Tom Giddings
> > >VP Avionics Sales
> > >Midwest Avionics
> > >200 Hardy Roberts Drive
> > >Paducah, KY 42086-0219
> > >877-904-9966
> > >tom@midwestavionics.net
> > >Online Store
> > >www.midwest-avionics.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On May 4, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Tom,
> > >>    Try these two RX8 recyclers............
> > >>
> > >>ss427bb@hotmail.com Brian Galloway in Calif..........Used by
> > Greg Ward
> > >>(Turbo/20B)
> > >>
> > >>mrmazda@sbcglobal.net Curtis James in Texas............Used
> by
> > CozyGirrls, Mark
> > >>(I believe) & myself
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Kelly Troyer
> > >>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > >>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > >>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > >>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > >>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Thomas Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net>
> > >>To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > >>Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 9:02:53 AM
> > >>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
> > >>
> > >>Mark: Thanks again....I must be getting old.. I remember now
> > that you did tell
> > >>me that in one of our phone conversations...just now sinking
> > in...as matter of
> > >>fact i just found the photo's you sent of your pump housing
> and
> > engine set -up.
> > >>Kelly...you are a very helpful resource as well..I will try to
> > find this after
> > >>market pump. The question is does anyone have a RX8 water pump
> > housing they
> > >>would sell?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Tom Giddings
> > >>VP Avionics Sales
> > >>MIDWEST AVIONICS
> > >>200 Hardy Roberts Dr
> > >>PO Box 219
> > >>West Paducah,KY 42086
> > >>877-904 9966
> > >>Cell; 727 858-1772
> > >>FAX:270 744 3466
> > >>tom@midwestaviation.net
> > >>Online Store
> > >>www.midwest-avionics.com
> > >>
> > >><Midwest>
> > >>
> > >>On May 4, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Mark Steitle wrote:
> > >>
> > >>Tom,
> > >>>
> > >>>I'm running a modified Renesis water pump housing. As you
> > know, the 20B WP
> > >>>housing is very tall with the thermostat section protruding
> up
> > above the
> > >>>engine. The Renesis WP housing uses a side intake/discharge
> > but is integrated
> > >>>with the front cover.  The WP section must be cut away from
> the
> > remainder of the
> > >>>Renesis front cover to be used on a non-Renesis application.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>The Renesis WP cartridge is much lighter than the cast iron
> 20B
> > cartridge, but
> > >>>the impellor is very cheaply made. In the stock
> configuration,
> > it may not pump
> > >>>enough coolant to cool a 3-rotor. I went with an aftermarket
> > WP cartridge which
> > >>>has a SS impellor similar to that of the 20B. I'll have to
> > look for the info on
> > >>>that. Pump was a bit pricey at $265.
> > >>>
> > >>>You may also need a custom WP pulley to run a Renesis pump on
> a
> > non-renesis
> > >>>engine.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Mark
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Thomas Giddings
> > <tom@midwestaviation.net>
> > >>>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>Can anyone tell me which water pump housing will lower the
> > overall height of the
> > >>>housing on the stock 20B. I need to keep it the height of
> > block if possible. I
> > >>>have seen some photos of one that would work.It was on a two
> > rotor engine.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Tom Giddings
> > >>>>VP Avionics Sales
> > >>>>MIDWEST AVIONICS
> > >>>>200 Hardy Roberts Dr
> > >>>>PO Box 219
> > >>>>West Paducah,KY 42086
> > >>>>877-904 9966
> > >>>>Cell; 727 858-1772
> > >>>>FAX:270 744 3466
> > >>>>tom@midwestaviation.net
> > >>>>Online Store
> > >>>>www.midwest-avionics.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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