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I have Kelly, it's in my 'Mount Housing' folder w/ a huge number of other emails :)

Still haven't heard back from this fella in Tulsa, I might have to give him a little prod and

see how things are shaping up. If not I'm pretty sure there are others [possibly into Tx] who

would have the equipment to get the job done.

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>

Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 5:22 pm

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing

> Jarrett,
>     Hope you have made note of what Mark said about the Renesis
> front cover
> not clearing the front counterweight of the Cosmo 20B...........
>
> Kelly Troyer
> "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:42:40 AM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
>
>
> Kelly/Tom,
>
> You are correct that the Renesis front cover can be made to fit on
> a 13B/20B,
> but the pan bolts are a different pattern which will require
> modification to
> your oil pan. Also, the 20B front counterweight is larger than
> the Renesis
> causing the cover to interfere with the 20B's
> front counterweight. Material
> will need to be milled out for the cover to fit, but in doing
> that, you will end
> up cutting through the cover which will require tig welding the
> holes. Finally,
> the RX-8 front cover is heavier than the 13B/20B front cover with
> Renesis water
> pump. Personally, I don't see an advantage to using the Renesis
> front cover.
>
>
> Mark S.
> (Been there, done that.)
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
>
> Tom,
> >
> >    One additional thing comes to my mind...........I do not have
> a RX8 Renesis
> >front side
> >housing (cast iron) but from all of my research of photos I am
> fairly confident
> >that the
> >RX8 front housing (aluminum) will bolt directly to the 93-
> 95 13BREW and Cosmo
> >13B
> >and 20B with some minor mods (to possibly clear bolt heads on the
> 20B front side
> >hsg)
> >and the drilling and threading of 1 to 3 existing bosses for 8 mm
> x 1.25 studs
> >or bolts..
> >
> >
> >
> >Kelly Troyer
> >"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> >"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> >"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> >"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> >"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> >
> >To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> >Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:32:44 AM
> >
> >Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
> >
> >
> >
> >Tom,
> >   Source for pump with improved impeller...........They also
> have used pump and
> >eccentric shaft pulleys......
> >"Mazmart" is located in Atlanta, GA............
> >
> > http://www.mazmart.com/PartsList.aspx?id=27&n=NEW&m=6
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Kelly Troyer
> >"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> >"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> >"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> >"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> >"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> From: Tom Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net>
> >To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> >Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:17:50 AM
> >Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
> >
> >
> >Thanks Again!!
> >
> >Kind Regards
> >Tom Giddings
> >VP Avionics Sales
> >Midwest Avionics
> >200 Hardy Roberts Drive
> >Paducah, KY 42086-0219
> >877-904-9966
> >tom@midwestavionics.net
> >Online Store
> >www.midwest-avionics.com
> >
> >
> >
> >On May 4, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Tom,
> >>    Try these two RX8 recyclers............
> >>
> >>ss427bb@hotmail.com Brian Galloway in Calif..........Used by
> Greg Ward
> >>(Turbo/20B)
> >>
> >>mrmazda@sbcglobal.net Curtis James in Texas............Used by
> CozyGirrls, Mark
> >>(I believe) & myself
> >>
> >>
> >>Kelly Troyer
> >>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> >>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> >>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> >>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> >>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> ________________________________
> From: Thomas Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net>
> >>To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> >>Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 9:02:53 AM
> >>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
> >>
> >>Mark: Thanks again....I must be getting old.. I remember now
> that you did tell
> >>me that in one of our phone conversations...just now sinking
> in...as matter of
> >>fact i just found the photo's you sent of your pump housing and
> engine set -up.
> >>Kelly...you are a very helpful resource as well..I will try to
> find this after
> >>market pump. The question is does anyone have a RX8 water pump
> housing they
> >>would sell?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Tom Giddings
> >>VP Avionics Sales
> >>MIDWEST AVIONICS
> >>200 Hardy Roberts Dr
> >>PO Box 219
> >>West Paducah,KY 42086
> >>877-904 9966
> >>Cell; 727 858-1772
> >>FAX:270 744 3466
> >>tom@midwestaviation.net
> >>Online Store
> >>www.midwest-avionics.com
> >>
> >><Midwest>
> >>
> >>On May 4, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Mark Steitle wrote:
> >>
> >>Tom,
> >>>
> >>>I'm running a modified Renesis water pump housing. As you
> know, the 20B WP
> >>>housing is very tall with the thermostat section protruding up
> above the
> >>>engine. The Renesis WP housing uses a side intake/discharge
> but is integrated
> >>>with the front cover.  The WP section must be cut away from the
> remainder of the
> >>>Renesis front cover to be used on a non-Renesis application.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>The Renesis WP cartridge is much lighter than the cast iron 20B
> cartridge, but
> >>>the impellor is very cheaply made. In the stock configuration,
> it may not pump
> >>>enough coolant to cool a 3-rotor. I went with an aftermarket
> WP cartridge which
> >>>has a SS impellor similar to that of the 20B. I'll have to
> look for the info on
> >>>that. Pump was a bit pricey at $265.
> >>>
> >>>You may also need a custom WP pulley to run a Renesis pump on a
> non-renesis
> >>>engine.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Mark
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Thomas Giddings
> <tom@midwestaviation.net>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Can anyone tell me which water pump housing will lower the
> overall height of the
> >>>housing on the stock 20B. I need to keep it the height of
> block if possible. I
> >>>have seen some photos of one that would work.It was on a two
> rotor engine.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Tom Giddings
> >>>>VP Avionics Sales
> >>>>MIDWEST AVIONICS
> >>>>200 Hardy Roberts Dr
> >>>>PO Box 219
> >>>>West Paducah,KY 42086
> >>>>877-904 9966
> >>>>Cell; 727 858-1772
> >>>>FAX:270 744 3466
> >>>>tom@midwestaviation.net
> >>>>Online Store
> >>>>www.midwest-avionics.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>