X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTP id 4967095 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 04 May 2011 19:25:59 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.207.164; envelope-from=Bktrub@aol.com Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p44NPF4G027436 for ; Wed, 4 May 2011 19:25:15 -0400 Received: from Bktrub@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.107a.4bc50c1 (43813) for ; Wed, 4 May 2011 19:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.169]) by cia-dc01.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC012-b2364dc1e0522bf; Wed, 04 May 2011 19:25:11 -0400 Received: from webmail-m093 (webmail-m093.sim.aol.com [64.12.102.43]) by smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE023-b2364dc1e0522bf; Wed, 04 May 2011 19:25:06 -0400 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 19:25:06 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 69.84.254.253 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bktrub@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CDD8C9A2E978D4_830_BC66_webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33646-STANDARD Received: from 69.84.254.253 by webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com (64.12.102.43) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 04 May 2011 19:25:06 -0400 Message-Id: <8CDD8C9A2DFF350-830-55C0@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Bktrub@aol.com ----------MB_8CDD8C9A2E978D4_830_BC66_webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I really like the type of mounting tabs that Charlie England posted here= two days back. I think that four tab-type mounts for the 13B that would= interface with the Dynofocal mount would really be the ticket. Very light= weight, and interfaces with the existing mounts for most planes. Also,= it seems like this would free up a lot of space around the engine for all= the accessories. If there is anyone up in the Seattle area who would has= a Dynofocal mount and a 13B, I'd love to work on something like that. I= can do TIG, and have access to most if not all the required tools to work= on something like that.=20 Brian Trubee -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Troyer To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 4:08 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) To The Rotary Group, Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much computer time available with= my day job) and some of you are probably sick of all my posts !!.........= ....."But" with that being said one of our group is seriously considering= the development of a "Mistral" type back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal type 1" en= gine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the 93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B Rotarys.............Sev= eral builders and potentials have indicated they would be interested in such a back-plate (including me)............I have= one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in the hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is severely ove= r engineered for our use (and overpriced) and has many features we do not need........... =20 If you have followed "Back-plate" string of posts recently you know th= at Jarrett Johnson one our group with aspirations to install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussion first about an= developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys (which needs to be done also) then I jumped in and said that a common engi= ne mount design might also be needed and if you have been reading the posts lately a lot of info has been kicked aroun= d about the various Rotarys and what it will take to "Marry" the "Mistral"= back-plate with a "RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with the magic of digital sc= anning & CAD) to design=20 such a back-plate......... =20 Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several years may rememb= er Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a commercial designer= with the talent and equipment (including foundry) to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-plate to be= scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to do the job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover to scan............What= we really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front side housing (unusable condition preferred as long as front side is undamaged)= to put in his hands as this is what the back-plate will bolt to..............If someone in the group has an unusable 93-95 13= BREW front side housing they will donate I will pay to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact me off the foru= m if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this race I would just like to see such a product be made available to the group....= ...... =20 keltro@att.net =20 Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo From: Kelly Troyer To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate Jarrett, =20 Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and Renesis housings.....= ........You really need=20 a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to scan............= .Most of my 13B engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable but lacks some of= the machined bolt and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side housing which= you need to make allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you want it to fit= all three versions of these engines..................Throw this out to the group and see if some= one has a 1993-95 13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate or lend to th= e project......... =20 You really need this front side housing in front of you......... Even= with all the scans nothing=20 beats having the actual hardware............IMHO =20 Best Regards, =20 Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo From: H & J Johnson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I did find a= fella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's getting me some pr= icing on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it might be a good= idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis Front Cover sca= nned?=20 I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to the front cover= ] scanned as well but don't know if you've got one handy [as in, not 'in'= an engine]. I could always=20 do it here in time but that might take a bit before I get my hands on one= that is not in an engine. =20 I'll keep you posted as this goes and see where we get. Jarrett Johnson=20 www.innovention-tech.com=20 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://= mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ----------MB_8CDD8C9A2E978D4_830_BC66_webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I really like the type of= mounting tabs that Charlie England posted here two days back. I think tha= t four tab-type mounts for the 13B that would interface with the Dynofocal= mount would really be the ticket. Very light weight, and interfaces with= the existing mounts for most planes.  Also, it seems like this would= free up a lot of space around the engine for all the accessories. If ther= e is anyone up in the Seattle area who would has a Dynofocal mount an= d a 13B, I'd love to work on something like that. I can do TIG, and have= access to most if not all the required tools to work on something like th= at.
 
Brian Trubee



-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 4:08 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)

To The Rotary Group,
     Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much com= puter time available with my day job) and some of you are probably si= ck of all my posts !!.............."But" with that being said one of= our group is seriously considering the development of a "Mistral" type
back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal type= 1" engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the
93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B Rotarys..= ...........Several builders and potentials have indicated they
would be interested in such a back-plate (including me)............I= have one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in the
hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is severel= y over engineered for our use (and overpriced) and has many
features we do not need...........
 
    If you have followed "Back-plate" string of posts= recently you know that Jarrett Johnson one our group with aspirations to<= /div>
install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussion first about= an developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys
(which needs to be done also) then I jumped in and said that a= common engine mount design might also be needed and if
you have been reading the posts lately a lot of info has been kicked= around about the various Rotarys and what it will tak= e to "Marry" the "Mistral" back-plate with a "RX8 "Renesis" water-pum= p (with the magic of digital scanning & CAD) to design
such a back-plate.........
 
     Those that have been on the Rotary forum for= several years may remember Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in=
building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a commercial des= igner with the talent and equipment (including foundry)
to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-plate to= be scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to do
the  job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover to scan.......= .....What we really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front side
housing (unusable condition preferred as long as front side is undama= ged) to put in his hands as this is what the back-plate
will bolt to..............If someone in the group has an unusable 93-= 95 13BREW front side housing they will donate I will pay
to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact me off the= forum if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this race
I would just like to see such a product be made available to the grou= p..........
 
    
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=
From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircr= aft <flyrotary@lancairon= line.net>
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:= 45:09 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:= Back-plate

Jarrett,
 
    Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and= Renesis housings.............You really need
a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to scan..= ...........Most of my 13B
engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable but = ;lacks some of the machined bolt
and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side hou= sing which you need
to make allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you want it to= fit all three versions of
these engines..................Throw this out to the group and see if= someone has a 1993-95
13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate or lend= to the project.........
 
   You really need this front side housing in front of you.= ........ Even with all the scans nothing
beats having the actual hardware............IMHO
 
Best Regards,
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=
From: H & J Johnson &l= t;hjjohnson@sasktel.net> To: Rotary motors in aircr= aft <flyrotary@lancairon= line.net>
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:= 43:03 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:= Back-plate

Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I did fi= nd a fella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's getting me som= e pricing
on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it might be= a good idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis Front Co= ver scanned?
I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to= the front cover] scanned as well but don't know if you've got one ha= ndy [as in, not 'in' an engine]. I could always
do it here in time but that might take a bit before I get my hands on= one that is not in an engine.
 
I'll keep you posted as this goes and see where we get.

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

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