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Wed, 04 May 2011 16:22:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.110.299900 References: Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 16:22:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: water pump housing To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1923639747-1304551356=:28639" --0-1923639747-1304551356=:28639 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jarrett,=0A=A0=A0=A0 Hope you have made note of what Mark said about the Re= nesis front cover =0Anot clearing the front counterweight of the Cosmo 20B.= ..........=0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTA= RY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURB= ONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom= : Mark Steitle =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:42:40 AM=0ASubject: [Fly= Rotary] Re: water pump housing=0A=0A=0AKelly/Tom,=0A=0AYou are correct that= the Renesis front cover can be made to fit on a 13B/20B, =0Abut the pan bo= lts are a different pattern which will require modification to =0Ayour oil = pan.=A0 Also, the 20B front counterweight is larger than the Renesis =0Acau= sing the=A0cover=A0to interfere with the=A020B's front=A0counterweight.=A0 = Material =0Awill=A0need to be milled=A0out for the cover to fit, but in doi= ng that, you will end =0Aup cutting through the cover which will require=A0= tig welding the holes.=A0 Finally, =0Athe RX-8 front cover is heavier than = the 13B/20B front cover with Renesis water =0Apump.=A0 Personally, I don't = see an advantage to using the Renesis front cover.=A0=A0=A0 =0A=0A=0AMark S= .=0A(Been there, done that.)=0A=0AOn Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Kelly Tr= oyer wrote:=0A=0ATom,=0A>=0A>=A0=A0=A0 One additional thin= g comes to my mind...........I do not have a RX8 Renesis =0A>front side=0A>= housing (cast iron) but from all of my research of photos I am fairly confi= dent =0A>that the=0A>RX8 front housing (aluminum) will bolt directly to=A0t= he 93-95=A013BREW and Cosmo =0A>13B=0A>and 20B with some minor=A0mods (to p= ossibly clear bolt heads on the 20B front side =0A>hsg)=0A>and the drilling= and threading of=A01 to=A03 existing bosses for 8 mm x 1.25 studs =0A>or b= olts..=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>"13B= ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold= =0A>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A______________________= __________=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer =0A>=0A>To: Rotary motors = in aircraft =0A>Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:32:4= 4 AM =0A>=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Tom= ,=0A>=A0=A0 Source for pump with=A0improved impeller...........They also ha= ve=A0used=A0pump and =0A>eccentric shaft pulleys......=0A>"Mazmart" is loca= ted in Atlanta, GA............=A0=0A>=0A>=A0http://www.mazmart.com/PartsLis= t.aspx?id=3D27&n=3DNEW&m=3D6=0A>=0A>=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>= "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2= =0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>= =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Tom Giddings =0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:17:50 AM=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: w= ater pump housing=0A>=0A>=0A>Thanks Again!!=0A>=0A>Kind Regards =0A>Tom Gid= dings=0A>VP Avionics Sales=0A>Midwest Avionics=0A>200 Hardy Roberts Drive= =0A>Paducah, KY 42086-0219=0A>877-904-9966=0A>tom@midwestavionics.net=0A>On= line Store=A0=0A>www.midwest-avionics.com=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On May 4, 2011, at= 11:08 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>Tom,=0A>>=A0=A0= =A0 Try these two RX8 recyclers............=0A>>=0A>>ss427bb@hotmail.com=A0= Brian Galloway in Calif..........Used by Greg Ward =0A>>(Turbo/20B)=0A>>= =A0=0A>>mrmazda@sbcglobal.net=A0 Curtis James in Texas............Used by C= ozyGirrls, Mark =0A>>(I believe) & myself=0A>>=A0=0A>>=0A>>Kelly Troyer=0A>= >"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/= EM2=0A>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>= >=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Thomas Gid= dings =0A>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>>Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 9:02:53 AM=0A>>Subject: [Fl= yRotary] Re: water pump housing=0A>>=0A>>Mark: Thanks again....I must be ge= tting old.. I remember now that you did tell =0A>>me that in one of our pho= ne conversations...just now sinking in...as matter of =0A>>fact i just foun= d the photo's you sent of your pump housing and engine set -up. =0A>>Kelly.= ..you are a very helpful resource as well..I will try to find this =A0after= =0A>>market pump. The question is does anyone have a RX8 water pump housin= g they =0A>>would sell?=A0 =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Tom=A0Giddings=0A>>VP Avioni= cs Sales=0A>>MIDWEST AVIONICS=0A>>200 Hardy Roberts Dr=0A>>PO Box 219=0A>>W= est Paducah,KY 42086=0A>>877-904 9966=0A>>Cell; 727 858-1772=0A>>FAX:270 74= 4 3466=0A>>tom@midwestaviation.net=0A>>Online Store=0A>>www.midwest-avionic= s.com=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>On May 4, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Mark Steitle= wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Tom, =0A>>>=0A>>>I'm running a modified Renesis water pump= housing.=A0 As you know, the 20B WP =0A>>>housing is very tall with the th= ermostat section protruding up above the =0A>>>engine.=A0 The Renesis WP ho= using uses a side=A0intake/discharge but=A0is integrated =0A>>>with the fro= nt cover.=A0=A0The WP section=A0must be cut away from the remainder of the = =0A>>>Renesis front cover to be used on a non-Renesis application.=A0 =0A>>= >=0A>>>=0A>>>The Renesis WP cartridge is much lighter than the cast iron 20= B cartridge, but =0A>>>the impellor is very cheaply made.=A0 In the stock c= onfiguration, it may not pump =0A>>>enough coolant to cool a 3-rotor.=A0 I = went with an aftermarket WP cartridge which =0A>>>has a SS impellor similar= to that of the 20B.=A0 I'll have to look for the info on =0A>>>that.=A0 Pu= mp was a bit pricey=A0at $265.=0A>>>=0A>>>You may also need a custom WP pul= ley to run a Renesis pump on a non-renesis =0A>>>engine. =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>= Mark=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=A0=0A>>>On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Thomas Gidd= ings =0A>>>wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>Can anyone tell me w= hich water pump housing will lower the overall height of the =0A>>>housing = on the stock 20B. I need to keep =A0it the height of block if possible. I = =0A>>>have seen some photos of one that would work.It was on a two rotor en= gine.=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Tom Giddings=0A>>>>VP Avionics Sales=0A>>>>MIDWES= T AVIONICS=0A>>>>200 Hardy Roberts Dr=0A>>>>PO Box 219=0A>>>>West Paducah,K= Y 42086=0A>>>>877-904 9966=0A>>>>Cell; 727 858-1772=0A>>>>FAX:270 744 3466= =0A>>>>tom@midwestaviation.net=0A>>>>Online Store=0A>>>>www.midwest-avionic= s.com=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>> --0-1923639747-1304551356=:28639 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Jarrett,
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    Hope you h= ave made note of what Mark said about the Renesis front cover
=0Anot clearing the front counterweight of the Cosmo 20B...........
 =
=0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" = (Eventually)

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONET= ICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0A

=0A
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=0AFrom: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net>
Sent: W= ed, May 4, 2011 11:42:40 AM
Subject= : [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing

=0A
Kelly= /Tom,
=0A
 
=0A
You are correct that the Renesis fro= nt cover can be made to fit on a 13B/20B, but the pan bolts are a different= pattern which will require modification to your oil pan.  Also, the 2= 0B front counterweight is larger than the Renesis causing the cover&nb= sp;to interfere with the 20B's front counterweight.  Materia= l will need to be milled out for the cover to fit, but in doing t= hat, you will end up cutting through the cover which will require tig = welding the holes.  Finally, the RX-8 front cover is heavier than the = 13B/20B front cover with Renesis water pump.  Personally, I don't see = an advantage to using the Renesis front cover.   
= =0A
Mark S.
(Been there, done that.)
=0A
 
=0AOn Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:=0A
=0A
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=0A
=0ATom,
=0A
 
=0A
    One additional = thing comes to my mind...........I do not have a RX8 Renesis front side=0A
housing (cast iron) but from all of my research of photos I am fa= irly confident that the
=0A
RX8 front housing (aluminum) will bolt= directly to the 93-95 13BREW and Cosmo 13B
=0A
and 20B = with some minor mods (to possibly clear bolt heads on the 20B front si= de hsg)
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and the drilling and threading of 1 to 3 exi= sting bosses for 8 mm x 1.25 studs or bolts..
=0A
=0A 
=0A
 
=0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oi= l Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A

= =0A
=0A
=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> =0A

To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>=
Sent: Wed, May 4,= 2011 10:32:44 AM =0A
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Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump hou= sing
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 http://www.mazmart.com/PartsList= .aspx?id=3D27&n=3DNEW&m=3D6
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&n= bsp;
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Kelly Troyer
= "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

=0A<= P>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Man= ifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: Tom Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
<= B>Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:17= :50 AM
Subject: [FlyRota= ry] Re: water pump housing

=0A
Thanks Again!!

Kind= Regards =0A
=0A
Tom Giddings
=0A
VP Avionics Sales
= =0A
Midwest Avionics
=0A
200 Hardy Roberts Drive
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= Paducah, KY 42086-0219
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On May 4, 2011, at 11:= 08 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrot= e:

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Tom,
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    Try these two RX8 recy= clers............
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ss427bb@hotmail.com&= nbsp; Brian Galloway in Calif..........Used by Greg Ward (Turbo/20B)=
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= mrmaz= da@sbcglobal.net  Curtis James in Texas............Used by = CozyGirrls, Mark (I believe) & myself
=0A
 
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= =0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS= "_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_T= O4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom:<= /B> Thomas Giddings <tom@midwe= staviation.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 9:02:53 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
Mark: Thanks again....I must be getting old.. I remember now t= hat you did tell me that in one of our phone conversations...just now sinki= ng in...as matter of fact i just found the photo's you sent of your pump ho= using and engine set -up. Kelly...you are a very helpful resource as well..= I will try to find this  after market pump. The question is does anyone have a RX8 water pump housing they would= sell?  =0A

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Tom Giddings
VP Avionics Sales
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MIDWEST AVIONICS
200 Hardy Roberts Dr
PO Box 219=
West Paducah,KY 42086
877-904 9966
Cell; 727 858-1772
FAX:270 744 3466<= BR>tom@midwestaviation.net
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<Midwest&= gt;

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On May 4, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Mark Steit= le wrote:

=0A
=0A
Tom,
=0A
=  
=0A
I'm running a modified Renesis water pump housing. = ; As you know, the 20B WP housing is very tall with the thermostat section = protruding up above the engine.  The Renesis WP housing uses a side&nb= sp;intake/discharge but is integrated with the front cover.  = ;The WP section must be cut away from the remainder of the Renesis fro= nt cover to be used on a non-Renesis application. 
=0A
 = ;
=0A
The Renesis WP cartridge is much lighter than the cast iron = 20B cartridge, but the impellor is very cheaply made.  In the stock co= nfiguration, it may not pump enough coolant to cool a 3-rotor.  I went= with an aftermarket WP cartridge which has a SS impellor similar to that o= f the 20B.  I'll have to look for the info on that.  Pump was a b= it pricey at $265.
=0A
 
=0A
You may also need = a custom WP pulley to run a Renesis pump on a non-renesis engine.
=0A=
 
=0A
Mark
=0A

 
=0A
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Thomas Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net> wrote:
= =0A
Can anyone tell me which water = pump housing will lower the overall height of the housing on the stock 20B.= I need to keep  it the height of block if possible. I have seen some = photos of one that would work.It was on a two rotor engine.


Tom GiddingsVP Avionics Sales
MIDWEST AVIONICS
200 Hardy Roberts Dr
PO Box 21= 9
West Paducah,KY 42086
877-904 9966
Cell; <= A rel=3Dnofollow>727 858-1772
FAX:270 744 3466=
tom@midwestaviation.net
Online Store
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