X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.149] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2) with SMTP id 4921566 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:33:23 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.149; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2011 13:32:46 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.68] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2011 13:32:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2011 13:32:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 718413.45047.bm@omp1005.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 5879 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2011 13:32:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1301059966; bh=/cUjGxA7gbWe6EFGJXKy6L01iiJ2lkTYNmctHeDFh/0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=v9q5d8C1W7+husi2oqfmzqvXB2Vkr5GqLE9TWhTBnb5wGzDdTVC6YJUuZlIDhc0mH4sBC8qDRjLfHv4EKiY0V0OTx2xS+kYN6hDjVbdoRrnWozHFA946fea/GPC+ZTyqD8F+yVDAO8ISpQf3n/DoNk3pVOadx/l9MW7cuGCU4Qw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4vtrE9oIT3cfmykAhzrmki2oy19GD4FtHMmoTyV/pi4DnB++5wODPwUTiBKd1HV6M2MMHBanvxxaEx0E0P1bC8Hmb3NXaIFTgqR6QXeVCaGqHN1ewA58nGB2S5weVpjFtNaSNCHK6chWFBRlZtC+RW2CCUbHH2v6ey9+Z4e22v8=; Message-ID: <479202.98075.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: uNmNiSQVM1nu9Z909xqwF2kZ6PILVd9ReX9LPcT5APh6z8R qW1U2XbkPZaEdDeeF4wItOq3DgFX9euhps.r4TAgyPrbu6ye6bzDsARq3McX FkEoL9OIqdAmh.lIOs7zaZTrHHmLqUOmYkhU2CjLc5lFML5Lw0KrnXsex2l7 WawOzReT0GkF_f5D6f3gigkmN2Loj09Y_vq.X.xxLBpInBdBxkJa_0wRD9Ja 7N.YSHYqDC8AK8O730XQrtYsbq2nA_6mok.BbicXz9X1HFep7dyl0gLaXe7D JRpvPxslKH2oqUPHUzNIdY7KJ0WOgv5efpIZm_xVLVq_opK8ubdXWUvZvIay mBF2zD4rWyaGdqTrj Received: from [208.114.38.195] by web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:32:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 References: Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:32:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: intersting video To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1539246361-1301059966=:98075" --0-1539246361-1301059966=:98075 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg,=0A=A0=A0=A0 Totally Awesome !!.............Wish my project was this f= ar =0Aalong.................<:)=0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Ev= entually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate= /Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________= ______________=0AFrom: Greg Ward =0ATo: Rotary mot= ors in aircraft =0ASent: Thu, March 24, 2011 1= 1:43:00 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: intersting video=0A=0AHey Tom;=0AWe l= ooked at this scenario when we were laying out our Legacy, and determined = =0Athat it was packing too much into a cowling that already had a large =0A= intercooler, and a turbo that was guaranteed to be radiating about 1400 to = 1900 =0Adegrees of heat.=A0 So, the question was, where to put a radiator, = oil cooler, =0Aetc. outside of the cowling?=A0 We settled on a P-51 scoop f= or both, and built it =0Aexactly like the original, hoping for a little thr= ust return.=A0 Difference was, =0Awe kept the radiator out of the fuselage,= because we didn't want a leak in the =0Acockpit at 20+K feet, with all tha= t entails.=A0 We are also looking at installing =0Aa hot water heating syst= em, with valves both in and out for the very same =0Areasons.=A0 So, what w= e have left is, the engine, intercooler, turbo, and whatever =0Agoes on the= firewall, with a lot of air going through, to hopefully keep =0Aeverything= happy.=A0 The flaps on the scoop should enable us to keep temps under =0Ac= ontrol, a' la P-51, so we'll see.=0A=0AGreg Ward=0ALancair Legacy N178RG, S= till in progress=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Gidding= s" =0ATo: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =0ASent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 8:59 PM=0ASubject: [FlyR= otary] intersting video=0A=0A=0AHere is a youtube engine test run of an LS1= V8. Watch it long enough to see how =0Athe dual radiators are plumbed. Thi= s system for engine cooling includes two =0Aradiators which appear to be in= series. It=A0 seems to be going from the =0Athermostat housing to the top = of the first radiator then is taken out the bottom =0Aof the first one and = crosses over to number two at the top inlet and back out =0Athe bottom into= the pump and back through the block .They are both dual pass =0Aradiators = . They feed this air from two outside the cowl scoops. Bud Warren =0Aclaims= this cools very well. In fact he claims it is the only way to cool the =0A= 300HP LS1 V8's . I wanted to original install a LS3 into my Questair, but c= ould =0Aquite get it stuffed in there . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCU= SbOAZRRtg. If =0Athis link does not work search youtube for Franks Bearhawk= Test run. Incidently =0Athey claim they need 1256 Sq In of radiator surfac= e to keep the V8 running at =0A190 in cruise and 200 max in the climb. Also= if you to geared drives yahoo forum =0Athere is a very interesting read on= the subject on cooling requirements for the =0ALS1.=0A=0ATom Giddings=0AVP= Avionics Sales=0AMIDWEST AVIONICS=0A200 Hardy Roberts Dr=0APO Box 219=0AWe= st Paducah,KY 42086=0A877-904 9966=0ACell; 727 858-1772=0AFAX:270 744 3466= =0Atom@midwestaviation.net=0AOnline Store=0Awww.midwest-avionics.com --0-1539246361-1301059966=:98075 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Greg,
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    Totally Aweso= me !!.............Wish my project was this far along.................<:)=
 
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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD= 2" (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"= _ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: Greg Ward <gregw@onestopdesign.biz>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <fly= rotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent:<= /SPAN> Thu, March 24, 2011 11:43:00 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: intersting video

= Hey Tom;
We looked at this scenario when we were laying out our Legacy, = and determined that it was packing too much into a cowling that already had= a large intercooler, and a turbo that was guaranteed to be radiating about= 1400 to 1900 degrees of heat.  So, the question was, where to put a r= adiator, oil cooler, etc. outside of the cowling?  We settled on a P-5= 1 scoop for both, and built it exactly like the original, hoping for a litt= le thrust return.  Difference was, we kept the radiator out of the fus= elage, because we didn't want a leak in the cockpit at 20+K feet, with all that entails.  We are also looking= at installing a hot water heating system, with valves both in and out for = the very same reasons.  So, what we have left is, the engine, intercoo= ler, turbo, and whatever goes on the firewall, with a lot of air going thro= ugh, to hopefully keep everything happy.  The flaps on the scoop shoul= d enable us to keep temps under control, a' la P-51, so we'll see.

G= reg Ward
Lancair Legacy N178RG, Still in progress


----- Origi= nal Message ----- From: "Thomas Giddings" <tom@midwestaviatio= n.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <fly= rotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 8:59 PM<= BR>Subject: [FlyRotary] intersting video


Here is a youtube engin= e test run of an LS1 V8. Watch it long enough to see how the dual radiators = are plumbed. This system for engine cooling includes two radiators which ap= pear to be in series. It  seems to be going from the thermostat housin= g to the top of the first radiator then is taken out the bottom of the firs= t one and crosses over to number two at the top inlet and back out the bott= om into the pump and back through the block .They are both dual pass radiat= ors . They feed this air from two outside the cowl scoops. Bud Warren claim= s this cools very well. In fact he claims it is the only way to cool the 30= 0HP LS1 V8's . I wanted to original install a LS3 into my Questair, but cou= ld quite get it stuffed in there . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCUSbOAZ= RRtg. If this link does not work search youtube for Franks Bearhawk Test ru= n. Incidently they claim they need 1256 Sq In of radiator surface to keep t= he V8 running at 190 in cruise and 200 max in the climb. Also if you to geared drives yahoo forum there is a very interesting read on the subje= ct on cooling requirements for the LS1.

Tom Giddings
VP Avionics = Sales
MIDWEST AVIONICS
200 Hardy Roberts Dr
PO Box 219
West Pad= ucah,KY 42086
877-904 9966
Cell; 727 858-1772
FAX:270 744 3466
= tom@midwestaviation.net
Online Store
www.midwest-avionics.com
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