Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #54296
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Forced Landing.
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:49:28 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Looks like Steve's exhaust data indicates that at least with a partial blockage,  EGT temperatures increase.
 
Ed

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 7:37 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Forced Landing.

Good question, Bobby.  You are producing less power/heat due to the absence/limiting  of air flow through the engine - so I would think that your EGT would decrease.  On the other hand, what little combustion is occurring has no place to go so could build up heat.  My bet would be EGT would decrease.  Perhaps Steve with his exhaust test stand could provide information on that point.
 
Ed

Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 9:52 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Forced Landing.

 

Ed,

 

The Advanced EFIS provides voice alerts for most engine parameters. I received no other alert but AOA.  However they did not include egt’s with the water cooled package. It’s was designed for the Egg subi’s and they would not modify for any other options. So if it was a blockage would the egt’s have gone cold? Would a partial blockage raise the egt’s?

 

Bobby


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:21 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Forced Landing.

 

Altitude has been the saver in both of my engine out events - I always go cross country at 8000MSL + {:>)

 

Keeping your head cool and paying attention to what your instruments are telling you (nice AOA system) is clearly crucial.

 

Ed

 

Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 9:19 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Forced Landing.

 

Thanks Ed. It happened at the perfect airport with three long runways. I had executed a Vx climbing turn at 38” MP. I had a lot of altitude and was very aware of the runway off my right wing tip. Had this happened 5 minutes later it would be a completely different story.  Bobby


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:01 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Forced Landing.

 

Great work, Bobby!!

 

Ain't it amazing how long 10 seconds can seem when your heart is pounding and your mind racing - been there!

 

As many an old instructor has emphasized - first priority is FLY THE AIRCRAFT which you clearly did an excellent job of.

 

I fly with two HushpowerII mufflers (several hundred hours on them), but I have two headers each with their own muffler.  I fly with a turbo block which means no exhaust splitters to soften the exhaust pulse - and it can rapidly pound stainless steel (or anything else) into pieces.   While I have never had exhaust blockage, I have had internal pieces depart the muffler.  I suspect after several hundred hours my Hushpower II mufflers no longer have much of anything internal but the metal mesh cone remaining.

 

While a turbocharger would probably soften the exhaust pulse quite a bit - a supercharger as you fly with, of course, will not.

 

Well, it clear that there was little you could do in the air about the muffler blockage - had I been a bit more astute, I could have probable recovered engine power on my two unintentional engine outs.  Hindsight is just so wonderful {:>)

 

Good flying, good decisions and it ended well - well, except perhaps for your seat cushion.

 

Ed

Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com

 

Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:02 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Forced Landing.

 

Since it’s been so quiet lately.

 

I had a complete loss of engine power yesterday during climb out from Tyler TX (KTYR). I had executed a Vx climb to see you hot I could get the oil with the supplemental oil cool I recently added. The engine was running but stopped making any power. I switch fuel tanks, adjusted the mixture both directions, toggled the primary injector switch for cold start and check my breakers. I did everything but switch to the B controller. All the troubleshooting took place in about 10 seconds or less. At that time my AOA starting telling me “angle, angle, push, push” . Glad I had the AOA as I’m not sure my attention was focused on the right priorities. I told the tower I had an engine failure and was landing. 35. Very happy this happened at an airport with three long runways with different headings. I pointed the nose down and made a right turn to the runway. The landing was downwind with 15 knot wind. I was too fast and used all 3500ft I had left. I coasted onto a taxiway with the engine idling very rough. I couldn’t make enough power to taxi. The FBO was there within two minutes and towed me back to their hanger. At this point I figured I had lost an apex seals. I pulled the prop through but had good compression. I pulled the cowl and everything was in place. Up until now I had remained very calm but that changed when I realized there was no smoking gun. I checked my injector power connections at the switches but everything seem good. The EC2 coil test worked but the injector test did not. I attempted an engine start and it ran normally. “What the h***” I later realized I had not activated the cold start switch for the injector test. Injectors tested fine. I was at a complete loss as what to look at next. I thought about a CAS intermediate failure but nothing I could come up with fit the problem. After another five minute full power run to 38”MP on both controllers I rolled the plane back into the FBO’s hanger and took a break. So here I am 200 miles from home after a forced landing and the plane is making full power as usual. Now the nerves set in full force. It downed on me to check the muffler for blockage. From what I could see with a flashlight the cone in my HushpowerII was out of place. I dropped the muffler from the belly and about a ½” cup of material came out. It was small pieces of mess from the cone. About 1/3 of the entrance side cone was still intact but the rest was gone. The internal steel support that forms the cone was still intact but movable with a large screw driver. I knocked as much out as I could and reinstalled the muffler. I was unable to knock out any of the mesh that was still in place. I decided to conduct a flight test over the airport for ten minutes. If all was good then I would head for home and climb to 8500 for the trip back. The headwind at 8500 would add 20 minutes to the flight unless I ran the engine above 30” MP. I didn’t think it was a good time to stress the muffler any more than necessary. I took off and climbed to 3000 ft on the B controller and circled for several laps. I switched controllers, fuel, injector cold start, coils and everything was normal. So I nervously departed for the 200 mile trip. I picked up flight following and had the autopilot/ flight director take me home. I spent the entire flight with the nearest airport active on my Advanced EFIS moving map. It draws a line, gives a distance and runway lengths. I also check airport information on my ipad and Foreflight. The flight was uneventful but was the most stressful I have ever experienced.

 

I’m guessing the muffler internals came loose and slid rearward trapping all the small come material that was dislodged. I was somewhere between Vx and Vy at a very high angle of attack when the problem occurred. The muffler is parallel l with the bottom of the fuselage so I believe any small dislodged material would remain inside the muffler. The plan now is to go through the entire electrical system and check every connection associated with the EC2 and fuel delivery. I will also be looking for a different muffle and putting the plane back into flight testing until I can regain my confidence with the install. I am also very thankful none of my family was onboard. My teenage daughter had decided she didn’t want to spend the remainder of spring break with me visiting my sister.

 

Bobby Hughes

(shaken not stirred)---- check your mufflers!!!!


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