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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:57:05 -0800 (PST)
From: George Rippeto <grippeto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Engine Considerations
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Dave,
=A0
Thanks for your response. Let me start over. I realize the rotary installat=
ion is not a "Plug and Play" solution. I like the idea of putting an engine=
 in my plane that was built less than 50 years ago and has a lot more confi=
guration options (if not more complicated).I have the Bruce Turrentine's vi=
deo and I also have Tracy Crook's book on rotary conversion. I have been on=
 this email group for over 3 years but only as a reader, not a contributor.=
=20
=A0
I just want a bit of guidance on getting started. The engine will be going =
in a Cozy Mark IV. I plan on getting the engine mount and various other par=
ts from CG Products. I'll be getting Tracy's RD-1B redrive. EC-2 controller=
 and EM-2 monitor. I haven't decided on the turbo or prop yet but feel I do=
n't have to decide on that right now.
=A0
Thanks in advance for guiding me to the starting road sign to what will be =
a long journey.
=A0
George,
St Louis, MO=A0
--- On Wed, 12/15/10, Dave <david.staten@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Dave <david.staten@gmail.com>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Engine Considerations
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 3:17 PM


Welcome to the list... this is the first post I can find from you..=20

I have no idea what sort of background research you have done to this point=
, but I am pretty sure there is not a suitable ready-made package with a tu=
rbo, intake, block that can be ordered.=20

The stock turbo's are completely unsuitable for our use, and will fail in s=
hort order. There are a couple turbo installs flying.. Dave Leonard's RV in=
 San Diego, and John Slade's Cozy up in New England, but they both are cust=
om installs. Chris Barber in Houston has a Turbo 13b on a velocity, and is =
approaching first flight. I was involved in his build for a few years, and =
we purchased an intake from Mistral when that was an option. Most car turbo=
s are meant for off-the-line sprint style behavior, not the hours long endu=
rance behavior of boosted flight operations

The stock intake on the 13B rides way too high for any canard I am aware of=
, so you will need a custom intake fabricated, as well as a custom exhaust.=
 Both the Cozy and Velocity will require such.=20

If you are serious about the rotary, understand that the few sentences belo=
w tell me that you've not done much homework and may think this is a plug a=
nd play type installation. Its not. There will be significant fabrication w=
ork on your end to make this happen.=20

So lets talk about what sort of aircraft this is going into, what you plan =
to use for a PSRU, what you plan to use for an engine controller, what sort=
 of prop you are planning to use, and what your plans are for mounting your=
 radiator and oil coolers? How do you plan to mount the engine?

And to answer your question.. A street port on a new turbo block would be a=
 good start. Eccentric shaft oil jet and thermal pellet mods are also recom=
mended. Bruce Turrentine's video has info on the oil and pellet mods.=20

Dave

On 12/15/2010 2:46 PM, George Rippeto wrote:=20


I am at the point in my project were I would like to order my engine. This =
is a canard installation. I would like a turbo charged 13B. What informatio=
n=A0do I need to provide to the engine supplier? Is there some kind of chec=
klist or something I can use to help me?
=A0
Thanks,
=A0
George=A0

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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Dave,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for your response. Let me start over. I realize the rotary inst=
allation is not a "Plug and Play" solution. I like the idea of putting an e=
ngine in my plane that was built less than 50 years ago and has a lot more =
configuration options (if not more complicated).I have the Bruce Turrentine=
's video and I also have Tracy Crook's book on rotary conversion. I have be=
en on this email group for over 3 years but only as a reader, not a contrib=
utor. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I just want a bit of guidance on getting started. The engine will be g=
oing in a Cozy Mark IV. I plan on getting the engine mount and various othe=
r parts from CG Products. I'll be getting Tracy's RD-1B redrive. EC-2 contr=
oller and EM-2 monitor. I haven't decided on the turbo or prop yet but feel=
 I don't have to decide on that right now.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;<BR>Thanks in advance for guiding me to the starting road sign t=
o what will be a long journey.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>George,</DIV>
<DIV>St Louis, MO&nbsp;<BR>--- On <B>Wed, 12/15/10, Dave <I>&lt;david.state=
n@gmail.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Dave &lt;david.staten@gmail.com&gt;<BR>Subj=
ect: [<SPAN>FlyRotary</SPAN>] Re: Rotary Engine Considerations<BR>To: "Rota=
ry motors in aircraft" &lt;flyrotary@lancaironline.net&gt;<BR>Date: Wednesd=
ay, December 15, 2010, 3:17 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv884714336>Welcome to the list... this is the first post I can =
find from you.. <BR><BR>I have no idea what sort of background research you=
 have done to this point, but I am pretty sure there is not a suitable read=
y-made package with a turbo, intake, block that can be ordered. <BR><BR>The=
 stock turbo's are completely unsuitable for our use, and will fail in shor=
t order. There are a couple turbo installs flying.. Dave Leonard's RV in Sa=
n Diego, and John Slade's Cozy up in New England, but they both are custom =
installs. Chris Barber in Houston has a Turbo 13b on a velocity, and is app=
roaching first flight. I was involved in his build for a few years, and we =
purchased an intake from Mistral when that was an option. Most car turbos a=
re meant for off-the-line sprint style behavior, not the hours long enduran=
ce behavior of boosted flight operations<BR><BR>The stock intake on the 13B=
 rides way too high for any canard I am aware of, so you will need a
 custom intake fabricated, as well as a custom exhaust. Both the Cozy and V=
elocity will require such. <BR><BR>If you are serious about the rotary, und=
erstand that the few sentences below tell me that you've not done much home=
work and may think this is a plug and play type installation. Its not. Ther=
e will be significant fabrication work on your end to make this happen. <BR=
><BR>So lets talk about what sort of aircraft this is going into, what you =
plan to use for a PSRU, what you plan to use for an engine controller, what=
 sort of prop you are planning to use, and what your plans are for mounting=
 your radiator and oil coolers? How do you plan to mount the engine?<BR><BR=
>And to answer your question.. A street port on a new turbo block would be =
a good start. Eccentric shaft oil jet and thermal pellet mods are also reco=
mmended. Bruce Turrentine's video has info on the oil and pellet mods. <BR>=
<BR>Dave<BR><BR>On 12/15/2010 2:46 PM, George Rippeto wrote:=20
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<DIV>I am at the point in my project were I would like to order my engine. =
This is a canard installation. I would like a turbo charged 13B. What infor=
mation&nbsp;do I need to provide to the engine supplier? Is there some kind=
 of checklist or something I can use to help me?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>George&nbsp;</DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV=
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