X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm22-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.222] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with SMTP id 4593955 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:55:42 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.222; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2010 18:55:05 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.50] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2010 18:55:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1050.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2010 18:55:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 402744.66384.bm@omp1050.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 2994 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2010 18:55:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1290884105; bh=CWRxArSm/czKqEbR8+rQUmmHduYkcy2gSnqbx6KP31Y=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=C/xaOzUjWQ3tG4/aNnHgeIHiPyD78zyRseKiLcQcbiEKFMLsenMfs6SdU1yiLrWVNWcr2M/RPEVGiZ72p0J2Qbg7pTjOLVuqjsgwJhTKu/KJKyoX+v/BANgCVsHAJJvFBYG9evklQ3lyJmaEddIud1xx3nxDGxBtEN9XBAJLrUI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FUe3Bv4UbakCcoyUfBj2ekqEX7SZpwJKiDeD4jgQNd/nVVNfzyWU56NpLfOb0riikO2vZaE4sF1yk4oPHfgNgsNjOOuF8MctcjtczvxAAkSGHpFkwQbRwh3cKmwpfMpKdytIOzWKMg/zb0/iAES3uasudBG3VVw6jOs99viwVK0=; Message-ID: <258248.1980.qm@web83904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DNETJrgVM1kfuFfi7ZVFHYrW3z1yf2SHKh7l5XtUgTqKdWy DbyhpaSS.X8JIvZiewsV_.bFCmxY48XtpMUzmiScgtY5.JYV5qNO6bwvRGXY wIsYmM9bE8DW7iXeqLMIJzpIJjx_1HzrqkpSCZ_SyOub1PhOphkLzD2qr766 RRoqFt3yBGZaWN3t7Yi6eek0PBd7f1YcrV4J5kxFluK7uIcQc2DsekQuYPhp 3_DfCJCzN0HoLQvZXs5TkqkvJqoE95fvckVmTCzMODXRV5nTPL.6XQE_lqaa mbNg7NpKQ7w-- Received: from [208.114.44.124] by web83904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:55:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:55:05 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Renesis Improved Waterpump To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1528750715-1290884105=:1980" --0-1528750715-1290884105=:1980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrew,=0A=A0=A0=A0 Would be informative if one of the group would do=A0fli= ght tests of both the=0Astock "Renesis" and the "Mazmart" water pump under = similar conditions and=0Arecorded temps during all phases (takeoff, climb, = cruise and landing) as=0Aa nonscientific test of both pumps efficiency.....= ............=0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B RO= TARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TU= RBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFr= om: Kelly Troyer =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Fri, November 26, 2010 2:53:04 AM=0ASubject: [= FlyRotary] Re: Renesis Improved Water-pump=0A=0A=0AAndrew,=0A=A0=A0 Someone= on the list will correct me if I am wrong but the way I understand =0Acavi= tation is=A0that=0Athe impeller is turning so fast that a slight vacuum is = formed at the=A0blade tips =0Aand they=A0no longer =0A=0Aare picking up wat= er (or as much water) and pressure and flow is reduced much =0Alike when=A0= the=0Atips of a propeller begin going sonic in air=A0and it loses thrust...= .......=A0=0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTA= RY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURB= ONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom= : Andrew Martin =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Fri, November 26, 2010 2:28:52 AM=0ASub= ject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis Improved Water-pump=0A=0AKelly =0A=0AI import= ed one of those pumps for my Renesis a couple of years ago as my engine =0A= arrived without an OEM pump, and it just looked so much more like a pump sh= ould, =0Amaybe in a few months I may start the engine and be able to report= its =0Aeffectiveness.=0AAm I right in assuming the only problem with pumpi= ng coolant fast is in the HP =0Aconsumed? and cavitation is more a result o= f the heat exchanger being unable to =0Aflow as fast as the pump?=0A=0AAndr= ew=0AWestern Australia=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Kelly T= royer wrote:=0A=0AGroup,=0A>=0A>=A0=A0=A0 Renesis water-pu= mp with improved impeller for more efficient flow and =0A>cavitation resist= ant at=A0high rpm...........A little=0A>pricey but Christmas is coming !!..= .....................<:)=0A>=0A>The purpose of the pump is to improve on Ma= zda's design since we are able to =0A>precision hand build each unit and ha= ve vast experience with rotary engines =0A>being raced amid torturous condi= tions (Having raced and won at 12 hours of =0A>Sebring, Daytona 24 hour, 24= Heurs du Mans and won multiple championships). What =0A>our pump does is m= ove a greater quantity of water out of the block quicker (As =0A>allowed by= the thermostat) to be exposed to the cooling elements. This is =0A>accompl= ished by superior design. We start with brand new water pumps from Mazda = =0A>and install our impeller that we've designed. Our impeller moves more w= ater and =0A>prevents cavitation by having much tighter clearances (To ever= y surface), =0A>helical shape, closed back and conical introduction. Our de= sign is reminiscent =0A>of that used on the R26B 4 rotor engine and does no= t require any under drive =0A>pulley to slow it down.=0A>=0A>=0A>http://www= .mazmart.com/remedy.html=0A>=A0=A0=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eve= ntually)=0A>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backpla= te/Oil Manifold=0A>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>--=0A>Homepage: =A0http://= www.flyrotary.com/=0A>Archive and UnSub: =A0 http://mail.lancaironline.net:= 81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A>=0A> --0-1528750715-1290884105=:1980 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Andrew,
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    Would be in= formative if one of the group would do flight tests of both the
= =0A
stock "Renesis" and the "Mazmart" water pump under similar conditio= ns and
=0A
recorded temps during all phases (takeoff, climb, cruis= e and landing) as
=0A
a nonscientific test of both pumps efficienc= y.................
 
=0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oi= l Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A

=0A
= =0A
=0A
=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>=
To: Rotary motors in ai= rcraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, November 26, 2010 2:53:04 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis Improve= d Water-pump

=0A
=0A
=0A
Andrew,
=0A
&nb= sp;  Someone on the list will correct me if I am wrong but the way I u= nderstand cavitation is that
=0A
the impeller is turning so f= ast that a slight vacuum is formed at the blade tips and they no = longer
=0A
are picking up water (or as much water) and pressure a= nd flow is reduced much like when the
=0A
tips of a propeller= begin going sonic in air and it loses thrust.......... 
 = ;
=0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2"= (Eventually)

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine<= BR>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONE= TICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A

=0A

=0A
=0A
=0AFrom:<= /SPAN> Andrew Martin <andrew@martinag.com.au>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrota= ry@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, November 26, 2010 2:28:52 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis Improved Water-pump

Kelly =0A

=0A
I imported one of those pumps for = my Renesis a couple of years ago as my engine arrived without an OEM pump, = and it just looked so much more like a pump should, maybe in a few months I= may start the engine and be able to report its effectiveness.
=0AAm I right in assuming the only problem with pumping coolant fast is in th= e HP consumed? and cavitation is more a result of the heat exchanger being = unable to flow as fast as the pump?
=0A

=0A
Andrew=0A
Western Australia
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On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
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=0A<= DIV>Group,
=0A
 
=0A
    Renesis wate= r-pump with improved impeller for more efficient flow and cavitation resist= ant at high rpm...........A little
=0A
pricey but Christmas i= s coming !!.......................<:)
=0A
 
=0A
T= he purpose of the pump is to improve on Mazda's design since we are able to= precision hand build each unit and have vast experience with rotary engine= s being raced amid torturous conditions (Having raced and won at 12 hours o= f Sebring, Daytona 24 hour, 24 Heurs du Mans and won multiple championships= ). What our pump does is move a greater quantity of water out of the block = quicker (As allowed by the thermostat) to be exposed to the cooling element= s. This is accomplished by superior design. We start with brand new water p= umps from Mazda and install our impeller that we've designed. Our impeller = moves more water and prevents cavitation by having much tighter clearances = (To every surface), helical shape, closed back and conical introduction. Ou= r design is reminiscent of that used on the R26B 4 rotor engine and does no= t require any under drive pulley to slow it down.
=0A
 =0A
http://www.mazmart.com/remedy.html
=0A
  =0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"= RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS= "_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A

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