Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #53078
From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
Subject: Re: Renesis Improved Waterpump
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 01:34:03 -0800 (PST)
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>, <CozyGirrrl@aol.com>
Group,
   Here is a much better definition of "Cavitation" than mine as it applies to pumps as in our case..........
 

Pumps and propellers


Major places where cavitation occurs are in pumps, on propellers, or at restrictions in a flowing liquid.

As an impeller's (in a pump) or propeller's (as in the case of a ship or submarine) blades move through a fluid, low-pressure areas are formed as the fluid accelerates around and moves past the blades. The faster the blades move, the lower the pressure around it can become. As it reaches vapor pressure
Vapor pressure
Vapor pressure or equilibrium vapor pressure are the pressure of a vapor in thermodynamic equilibrium with its condensed phases in a closed bottle. All liquids and solids have a tendency to evaporate into a gaseous form, and all gases have a tendency to condense back to their liquid or solid...

, the fluid vaporizes
Vaporization
Vaporization of an element or compound is a phase transition from the liquid or solid phase to gas phase. There are three types of vaporization: evaporation, boiling and sublimation....

 and forms small bubble
Liquid bubble
A bubble is a globule of one substance in another, usually gas in a liquid.Due to the Marangoni effect, bubbles may remain intact when they reach the surface of the immersive substance.-Common examples:...

s of gas. This is cavitation. When the bubbles collapse later, they typically cause very strong local shock waves in the fluid, which may be audible and may even damage the blades.

Cavitation in pumps may occur in two different forms:

Suction cavitation


Suction cavitation occurs when the pump suction is under a low-pressure/high-vacuum condition where the liquid turns into a vapor at the eye of the pump impeller. This vapor is carried over to the discharge side of the pump, where it no longer sees vacuum and is compressed back into a liquid by the discharge pressure. This imploding action occurs violently and attacks the face of the impeller. An impeller that has been operating under a suction cavitation condition can have large chunks of material removed from its face or very small bits of material removed, causing the impeller to look spongelike. Both cases will cause premature failure of the pump, often due to bearing failure. Suction cavitation is often identified by a sound like gravel or marbles in the pump casing.

In automotive applications, a clogged filter in a hydraulic system (power steering, power brakes) can cause suction cavitation making a noise that rises and falls in synch with engine RPM. It is fairly often a high pitched whine, like set of nylon gears not quite meshing correctly.

Discharge cavitation


Discharge cavitation occurs when the pump discharge pressure is extremely high, normally occurring in a pump that is running at less than 10% of its best efficiency point. The high discharge pressure causes the majority of the fluid to circulate inside the pump instead of being allowed to flow out the discharge. As the liquid flows around the impeller, it must pass through the small clearance between the impeller and the pump housing at extremely high velocity
Velocity
In physics, velocity is the rate of change of position. It is a vector physical quantity; both magnitude and direction are required to define it...

. This velocity causes a vacuum to develop at the housing wall (similar to what occurs in a venturi
Venturi effect
The Venturi effect is the reduction in fluid pressure that results when a fluid flows through a constricted section of pipe. The Venturi effect is named after Giovanni Battista Venturi , an Italian physicist.-Background:...

), which turns the liquid into a vapor. A pump that has been operating under these conditions shows premature wear of the impeller vane tips and the pump housing. In addition, due to the high pressure conditions, premature failure of the pump's mechanical seal and bearings can be expected. Under extreme conditions, this can break the impeller shaft.

Discharge cavitation in joint fluid is thought to cause the popping sound produced by bone joint cracking
Cracking joints
Cracking joints is the action of moving joints to produce a sharp cracking or popping sound. The most common form of this occurs during deliberate knuckle-cracking...

, for example by deliberately cracking one's knuckles.
 
  Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo



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From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, November 26, 2010 2:53:04 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis Improved Waterpump

Andrew,
   Someone on the list will correct me if I am wrong but the way I understand cavitation is that
the impeller is turning so fast that a slight vacuum is formed at the blade tips and they no longer
are picking up water (or as much water) and pressure and flow is reduced much like when the
tips of a propeller begin going sonic in air and it loses thrust.......... 
 

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo




From: Andrew Martin <andrew@martinag.com.au>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, November 26, 2010 2:28:52 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis Improved Waterpump

Kelly

I imported one of those pumps for my Renesis a couple of years ago as my engine arrived without an OEM pump, and it just looked so much more like a pump should, maybe in a few months I may start the engine and be able to report its effectiveness.
Am I right in assuming the only problem with pumping coolant fast is in the HP consumed? and cavitation is more a result of the heat exchanger being unable to flow as fast as the pump?

Andrew
Western Australia


On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Group,
 
    Renesis waterpump with improved impeller for more efficent flow and cavitation resistant at high rpm...........A little
pricey but Christmas is coming !!.......................<:)
 
The purpose of the pump is to improve on Mazda's design since we are able to precision hand build each unit and have vast experience with rotary engines being raced amid torturous conditions (Having raced and won at 12 hours of Sebring, Daytona 24 hour, 24 Heurs du Mans and won multipe championships). What our pump does is move a greater quantity of water out of the block quicker (As allowed by the thermostat) to be exposed to the cooling elements. This is accomplished by superior design. We start with brand new water pumps from Mazda and install our impeller that we've designed. Our impeller moves more water and prevents cavitation by having much tigher clearances (To every surface), helical shape, closed back and conical introduction. Our design is reminiscent of that used on the R26B 4 rotor engine and does not require any under drive pulley to slow it down.
 
http://www.mazmart.com/remedy.html
  

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo


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