Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #53037
From: Tracy <tracy@rotaryaviation.com>
Sender: <rwstracy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Re Trailing Coil Disable to Turbo too? Was: N20
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 06:59:38 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
"mine only goes up to 41.8 inches"

A bit of confusion here.

The MAP table has nothing to do with what the MAP sensor can handle. 
I had arbitrarily thought that 43"Hg was a reasonable target for max boost for this application so I spread the MAP table over that range.  This only means that the last MAP table address is used at any MP above 42".  The MAP sensor continues to increase the fuel delivery all the way to 60" Hg. 

So, the question is, do you find that you need a different mixture compensation factor between 42" and 45"?  I haven't heard anyone say that but let me know if that is the case.   I would suggest adjusting the MAP table at your highest intended operating MP and see if it is a problem.

Tracy  

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Mine isn’t the early square box.  It is the later rectangular box.  I am wondering which Map sensor it has in it.  Tracy said all the rectangular ones had the 2 bar, but mine only goes up to 41.8 inches.

 

Bill B

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:59 PM


To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re Trailing Coil Disable to Turbo too? Was: N20

 

Ditto for me also...........My EC2 is an early square box and I had to request the 2 BAR

MAP Sensor when it was purchased...............

 

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

 

 


From: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 6:12:35 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Trailing Coil Disable to Turbo too? Was: N20

Bill,

I have one of the early aquare boxes, at that time I did have to request a special tubo model.  So Tracy must have changed it after you bought yours.

 

Dave Leonard

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Tracy,

Not that I need or want to waste bins with unused manifold pressures, but is that something that you program into the EC-2 if it is going to be used with a turbo?   My unit is the rectangular one bought in Oct 2005, and upgraded in Oct 2007.  it only goes up to 41.8 inches of pressure in the top bin.???

 

Bill B

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 11:05 AM


To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Trailing Coil Disable to Turbo too? Was: N20

 

All EC2/3s in the rectangular box (past 8 years or so) use 2 BAR MAP sensors which work up to 60" Hg MP.

Tracy 

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:

    My EC2 "MAP" sensors are for boosted use ( I presume MAP sensors are different for

boosted use )...............I have seen what MP it is good for but cannot recall the number off

the top of my head !!..............Tracy ??.........Help !!

   

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

 

 


From: Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 9:24:26 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Trailing Coil Disable to Turbo too? Was: N20

Dave,

The top bin, +127, on my EC-2 is 41.8 inches of manifold pressure.  Does yours go higher? 

I just figured that Tracy had something in mind when he set those limits.  What does the EC-2 do when you go outside its limits?  Does it keep everything the same as the last time it saw an instruction?

I have no intention of boosting my setup and I am roughly at sea level, (55 Ft ), so with ram air, I might be able to see 31 inches.  The rest I will never use.

 

You are welcome to borrow them if you like.   :>)

 

Bill B

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:25 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Trailing Coil Disable to Turbo too? Was: N20

 

 

 

I have no knowledge of boosted rotary engines. It is a fad. It will go away.

 

Lynn E. Hanover  


LOL, I have no knowledge either.  But that is a different matter.

 

Thanks for the detailed reply, as expected, only I can choose my level of boost and no one has the magic number of when I will run into problems with detonation.  And who am I kidding by trying to push the limit.  Inching up the power...  If 45 inches is no problem, then 46" is going to be OK...

 

Unfortunately, having "a problem" will mean an engine re-build if not another landing on a road.  So I must set an arbitrary limit and stick to it....  

(drone voice of Homer Simpson): Eight Hundred horse power..

.. No, stick to the boost limit....

...Eight Hundred horse power...

.. This is an airplane, we are not safely on the ground...

..Eight Hundred horse power...

.. Stay away from the light, do not go into the light!

 

45 inches MAP.  That is my final word, That is law.


--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://n4vy.rotaryroster.net/
http://rotaryroster.net/

 




--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net


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