X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from poplet2.per.eftel.com ([203.24.100.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.4) with ESMTP id 4182942 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:54:00 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.24.100.45; envelope-from=lendich@aanet.com.au Received: from sv1-1.aanet.com.au (mail.aanet.com.au [203.24.100.34]) by poplet2.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4431737B7 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:53:15 +0800 (WST) Received: from ownerf1fc517b8 (203.171.92.134.static.rev.aanet.com.au [203.171.92.134]) by sv1-1.aanet.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 17041BEC114 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:49:26 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <36F4A4EE1CCA44BE9C47E8189E4DEB23@ownerf1fc517b8> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine Start Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:49:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CACFDD.867F1D40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100329-2, 03/29/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CACFDD.867F1D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Steve, That puts me up to date on their parts progress, it will be a mammoth = job replicating the Mazda parts to provide the audit trail necessary for = certification. Personally I would think periodic destruction testing of = the Mazda parts to be sufficient - but that may sound too logical for = FAA, unless their doing that in the interim. If Mistral bought parts directly from Mazda Japan, I'm sure there = would be sufficient audit tracking for the certification process. I know = Mazda won't get involved in the certification process - which is a real = pity IMHO. Thanks again for the info. George (down under). George, My engine is a hybrid of Mazda and Mistral parts. The rotors, rotor = housings, and intermediate housing are Mazda. Both end housings, PSRU = and oil pan are Mistral. They are using Mazda parts at this point of = the certification under a temporary agreement with the FAA. They are = still in the process of developing their own parts to replace the Mazda = parts. As for the muffler, I agree, the packing will not last. I've spoken = with the folks at Burn's Stainless and they are now using a stainless = steel fabric in the mufflers they provide to rotary racers. I will have = mine changed out at my first opportunity. Best Regards, Steve Thomas _______________________________________________________ On Mar 29, 2010, at 2:07 PM, George Lendich wrote: Steve, Very nice, very smooth and strong, the muffler doesn't sound too = loud, however I don't expect the packing to last. Mistral do make good stuff, but expensive. I'm wondering if their = using Mazda parts on this engine or their own parts developed for = certification. The plane look ready to launch itself into the air with those high = RPM runs - what static RPM do you achieve with the Mistral engine. If you can provide any info it would be appreciated. I can understand your frustration. George ( down under) Here is a link to my latest engine start. As many probably don't = know, I'm not nearly as smart as most of you, so this engine is a = full-up Mistral 2 rotor, their first in the field as a matter of fact. = It is normally aspirated, and has a Burns Stainless 3" x 17" muffler = with stainless scrubble packing. The muffler is not terribly effective, = but I'm going to stick with it for now. =20 The airplane is basically ready to go, but my airworthiness = certificate has been delayed because the Van Nuys FSDO has arbitrarily = banned experimental flights from my home airport, Santa Barbara. I've = got the national EAA working on the problem, but, for now, I wait. I = thought you-all might like to see this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DylEaWiujUs0 Best Regards, Steve Thomas _______________________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CACFDD.867F1D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 Thanks Steve,
That puts me up to date on their parts = progress,=20 it will be a mammoth job replicating the Mazda parts to provide the = audit=20 trail necessary for certification. Personally I would think periodic=20 destruction testing of the Mazda parts to be sufficient - but = that may=20 sound too logical for FAA, unless their doing that in the = interim.
If Mistral bought parts directly from = Mazda=20 Japan, I'm sure there would be sufficient audit tracking for the = certification=20 process. I know Mazda won't get involved in the certification process = - which=20 is a real pity IMHO.
Thanks again for the info.
George (down under).
 
George,

My engine is a hybrid of Mazda and Mistral parts.  The = rotors, rotor=20 housings, and intermediate housing are Mazda.  Both end housings, = PSRU=20 and oil pan are Mistral.  They are using Mazda parts at this = point of the=20 certification under a temporary agreement with the FAA.  They are = still=20 in the process of developing their own parts to replace the Mazda = parts.

As for the muffler, I agree, the packing will not last. =  I've spoken=20 with the folks at Burn's Stainless and they are now using a stainless = steel=20 fabric in the mufflers they provide to rotary racers.  I will = have mine=20 changed out at my first opportunity.

Best Regards,

Steve Thomas
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On Mar 29, 2010, at 2:07 PM, George Lendich wrote:
Steve,
Very nice, very smooth and strong, = the muffler=20 doesn't sound too loud, however I don't expect the packing to=20 last.
Mistral do make good stuff, but = expensive. I'm=20 wondering if their using Mazda parts on this engine or their own = parts=20 developed for certification.
The plane look ready to launch = itself into the=20 air with those high RPM runs - what static RPM do you achieve with = the=20 Mistral engine.
If you can provide any info it = would be=20 appreciated.
I can understand your = frustration.
George ( down under)
Here=20 is a link to my latest engine start.  As many probably don't = know,=20 I'm not nearly as smart as most of you, so this engine is a = full-up=20 Mistral 2 rotor, their first in the field as a matter of fact. =  It is=20 normally aspirated, and has a Burns Stainless 3" x 17" muffler = with=20 stainless scrubble packing.  The muffler is not terribly = effective,=20 but I'm going to stick with it for now.  

The airplane is basically ready to go, but my airworthiness=20 certificate has been delayed because the Van Nuys FSDO has = arbitrarily=20 banned experimental flights from my home airport, Santa Barbara.=20  I've got the national EAA working on the problem, but, for = now, I=20 wait.  I thought you-all might like to see this.

http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DylEaWiujUs0

Best Regards,

Steve Thomas
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