X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.54] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.2) with ESMTP id 4125835 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:11:42 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.11.54; envelope-from=keltro@att.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; q=dns/txt; d=att.net; s=dkim01; i=keltro@att.net; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1266264703; h=Content-Type: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:Subject:To:From; bh=DlCeVd QbVTGTch5e5PXE9yywuxY94Ic1tSi6SWrvMzg=; b=Xxjoj3tx8tvaLzPJ0Qj81mn5S msP8hEiNlK1DPbEpCvGofvobn4ulRLw06Sq4n8CPCpcjCdpYmATy7BKfKo37g== Received: from fwebmail15.isp.att.net ([207.115.9.155]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20100215201106H0400p992ce>; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:11:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.115.9.155] Received: from [208.114.42.184] by fwebmail15.isp.att.net; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:11:05 +0000 From: "Kelly Troyer" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] PSRU oiling question Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:11:05 +0000 Message-Id: <021520102011.19242.4B79AA590003C42600004B2A22230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF019D9B040A05@att.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 2 2009) X-Authenticated-Sender: a2VsdHJvQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19242_1266264665_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19242_1266264665_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Chris, Not Tracy but prop shaft main bearing is a sealed bearing not lubed by engine oil.........The other bearing of the prop shaft is a sleeve (plain) type and is lubed at engine oil pressure.... The planetary gears also are lubed from engine oil pressure.............. -- Kelly Troyer "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold -------------- Original message from Chris Barber : -------------- I just received my PSRU back from Tracy. If I understand his explanation correctly my prop shaft bearing at the end near the prop (pusher) bound up somehow. He machined it, made other needed adjustments (?) and sent it back to me very promptly...bout a week turn around (of course I dropped a bit on overnight shipping to make sure he got it before he was off again ). The problem may have been due to a couple of factors....not really sure, but I discovered it after my plane was sitting out of the hangar due to roof repairs for about 6 or 7 weeks. When I went up to start it to taxi back to the hangar, I pulled the prop through a few times by hand and all seemed fine. I started it up, started, was tickled, but it it stalled. Did I mention it was REALLY cold for Houston...about 27 degrees. I started it again and is sounded "labored" and was running poorly. It was about 1:00 am (I had just gotten off duty), so I figured I call it a night. I got out and turned the prop through again and could barely turn the prop. Damn. I thought I toasted another engine. Damn. A couple of days later a friend and I pushed the plane back to the hangar and I walked away from the issue for a couple of weeks. Went so far as to even looking at financing a Lyc . I distracted myself by doing some interior work and wiring...actually got my radios far enough along to listen to ATIS for a few minutes...on the bench. Finally, two days after my recent loss, I forced myself to the hangar and pulled the PSRU. I had already looked inside the exhaust ports and the chambers looked clean and smooth. I had also drained the oil, with a magnet (I know, some is aluminum) in the drain filter and found it all to be perfectly clean. Well, without the PSRU the engine turned perfectly making that sweet churning sound through the open spark plug holes. I turned to the PSRU. I took out each section slooooowly. No signs of binding, chipping or any other damage in each part....until I got to the last section, the sealed section by the prop. The prop hub would not turn. I could barely turn it with the prop on. Without the prop is was a no go. So, I sent it to Tracy. ANYWAY, now that I have it back mounted on the bird I am curious as to the oil going into the system. Even though I went through this long explanation, I only have a questions about the oil entering the PSRU. There is no reason to suspect any oiling issues caused the previous problem...I just like to share on occasion. However, last night when I was hooking up everything I decided to pour some oil directly into the in oil hole on top of the PSRU. My curiosity is that it just kinda set there and very slowly seemed to seep into the PSRU. Does oil pressure forced it into the PSRU, thus getting more oil in. I would think with everything spinning etc under power the oil flow etc would be much more dynamic, thus providing a more significant lubricating event. I don't really know what I was expecting. my oil flow seems good. It just got me thinking and wanting to have a better understanding. TIA All the best, Chris Houston, GSOT --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19242_1266264665_0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19242_1266264665_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19242_1266264665_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris,
  Not Tracy but prop shaft main bearing is a sealed bearing not l= ubed by engine oil.........The
other bearing of the prop shaft is a sleeve (plain) type and is lubed = at engine oil pressure....
 The planetary gears also are lubed from engine oil pressure.....= .........
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_1= 3B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifol= d



 
-------------- Original message from Chris Barber <cbarbe= r@texasattorney.net>: --------------

I just received my PSRU back from Tracy= .  If I understand his explanation correctly my prop shaft bearing at = the end near the prop (pusher) bound up somehow.  He machined i= t, made other needed adjustments (?) and sent it back to me very promptly..= .bout a week turn around (of course I dropped a bit on overnight shipp= ing to make sure he got it before he was off again <g>).
 
The problem may have been due to a couple of factors....not really sur= e, but I discovered it after my plane was sitting out of the hangar due to = roof repairs for about 6 or 7 weeks.  When I went up to start it to ta= xi back to the hangar, I pulled the prop through a few times by hand and al= l seemed fine.  I started it up, started, was tickled, but it it<= A> stalled. Did I mention it was REALLY cold for Houston...= about 27 degrees.  I started it again and is sounded "labored" and was= running poorly.  It was about 1:00 am (I had just gotten off duty), s= o I figured I call it a night.  I got out and turned the prop through = again and could barely turn the prop. Damn.  I thought I toasted anoth= er engine. Damn.
 
A couple of days later a friend and I pushed the plane back to the han= gar and I walked away from the issue for a couple of weeks. Went so far as = to even looking at financing a Lyc <shudder>. = ; I distracted myself by doing some interior work and wiring...actually got= my radios far enough along to listen to ATIS for a few = minutes...on the bench.
 
Finally, two days after my recent loss, I forced myself to the hangar = and pulled the PSRU.  I had already looked inside the ex= haust ports and the chambers looked clean and smooth.  I had also drai= ned the oil, with a magnet (I know, some is aluminum) in the drain filter a= nd found it all to be perfectly clean.  Well, without the PSRU= the engine turned perfectly making that sweet churning sound th= rough the open spark plug holes.
 
I turned to the PSRU.  I took out each = section slooooowly.  No signs of binding, chipping or an= y other damage in each part....until I got to the last section, the sealed = section by the prop.  The prop hub would not turn.  I could barel= y turn it with the prop on. Without the prop is was a no go.  So, I se= nt it to Tracy.
 
ANYWAY, now that I have it back mounted on the bird I am curious as to= the oil going into the system.  Even though I went through this = long explanation, I only have a questions about the oil entering the P= SRU.  There is no reason to suspect any oiling issues ca= used the previous problem...I just like to share on occasion.  However= , last night when I was hooking up everything I decided to pour= some oil directly into the in oil hole on top of the PSRU.  My curiosity is that it just kinda set = there and very slowly seemed to seep into the PSRU.  Doe= s oil pressure forced it into the PSRU, thus getting more oil= in.  I would think with everything spinning etc under pow= er the oil flow etc would be much more dynamic, thus providing a more signi= ficant lubricating event.  I don't really know what I was expecting.&n= bsp; my oil flow seems good.  It just got me thinking and wanting to h= ave a better understanding.  TIA
 
All the best,
 
Chris
Houston, GSOT
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