X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net ([68.230.240.8] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.2) with ESMTP id 4118393 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:38:25 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.240.8; envelope-from=tmann@n200lz.com Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100209233750.CIUM13474.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:37:50 -0500 Received: from testPC ([98.168.254.7]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id fzdp1d00F0ALyG202zdpqh; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:37:50 -0500 X-VR-Score: 0.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=RjTCKG3kPVHzT+t7xAAYS8bCjcYRzac2JMP5J0xyIww= c=1 sm=1 a=u3n+HnEbI1wdzZeyJY7NnA==:17 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=muQwnNxAAAAA:8 a=qRCqO51SAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=JyAQ2Dn-ygyhZARrFpEA:9 a=4tziVLMpmz_wDficEFMA:7 a=PbgHn03lA_j53L1nRo0Jfu626-QA:4 a=5zrLeAV0Z70A:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=TlnOPt13aEMA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=z538MmQPxwbP2axE:21 a=Py8oSqMnj-XfarcH:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=Y2VNeNrzAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=TW66zc2HAAAA:8 a=HQ31llbKAAAA:8 a=gj3JOvq0xNmpZ1eTSQAA:9 a=LxlPVzYyQdXdRrCNve0A:7 a=gYegNQTaPuz2XMofuY9NbjnVA_EA:4 a=FhLNBQ0CH4IeTPAQ:21 a=BmfrV9PB0C5XU1OB:21 a=u3n+HnEbI1wdzZeyJY7NnA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Thomas Mann" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:37:54 -0600 Message-ID: <00f801caa9e0$e73689c0$b5a39d40$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F9_01CAA9AE.9C9C19C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acqp388MjRG6OQ/ZSv+Si3f3lNPJtwAAKMlg Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01CAA9AE.9C9C19C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yea.. It's worth the discount. I bought Autodesk AutoCAD 2004 for around $100. Same for SolidWorks last year. From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Lendich Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:29 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program Thomas, AutoCAD 2 D is easy enough, haven't tried the 3D yet, but I taught myself the 2D, but your right being taught would be much quicker. George ( down under) Mike, I was wanting to learn CAD but it seems I do better in a classroom setting for that sort of thing. Bottom line, I signed up for some CAD classes at the local community college. .... which also qualified me for the academic pricing on the software. T Mann From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike Wills Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:15 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program Thanks Monty. Alibre was the tool I was thinking of. Never seen Rhino but I will take a look. Building an airplane is sort of an excuse to learn the tool. I suspect that I could design/build what I want without it. But it might help me visualize the end result before I go to far down the wrong path. Clearly I'm not going to invest huge $ in a cad package to build a one off. Mike From: MONTY ROBERTS Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:07 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program Mike, If you are going to design an airplane I would go with Rhino http://www.rhino3d.com/. Not free. Not parametric. But you will have an easier time transitioning to it with your experience. It is capable of doing the surfaces necessary for an aircraft. Autocad experience translates nicely into Rhino. The solid modeling is pretty crappy in Rhino, but I never use it. If you must have a parametric solid modeler you can try Alibre for free: http://www.alibre.com/ It is a very good and cost effective package for doing parametric solid modeling. It also has a sheet metal module. The free version is not the most capable thing in the world. I think you can upgrade to the hobby version for very little money. I have the full blown professional package. I like it. It will do 95% of what Solid Works will do for much less money. If you need to be able to do real parametric surfacing for something like an aircraft, forget all the mid range packages and ProE, nothing short of Catia or Unigraphics is going to work satisfactorily. For either of these you will be spending $20K+ and about $4K/year on maintenance. Makes Rhino look REALLY GOOD. Parametrics can be more trouble than they are worth with complex models. If I really must have a complex surface with parametric detail, I create surfaces in Rhino and import them to Alibre. I add all the parametric detail there. Try everything else first, but you won't regret spending the money on Rhino. I've been using it since Rhino 1.0. Monty ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Wills To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] CAD program Some time back I think it was Monty Roberts who posted about a free parametric modeling software package. I lost the link (and name of the software) when my last PC died. I didn't grab the software at the time because didn't feel I had the time to learn to use it. But I'm interested in learning now. Monty (or anyone else for that matter) do you still have a link? Did anyone dive in at the time and try it? If so, I'd like a little feedback. I have lots of experience with 2D Autocad and a little experience with both ProE and Solidworks. I'm starting to think seriously about my next project. I've given up waiting for Van to finish his RV-11 motorglider and I've just about convinced myself that I can design and build my own version. Would like to do some doodling in a 3D cad program. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2673 - Release Date: 02/07/10 07:22:00 _____ -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01CAA9AE.9C9C19C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yea…. It’s worth the = discount.

I bought Autodesk AutoCAD 2004 for around = $100.

Same for SolidWorks last year.

 

 

 

From:= Rotary = motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Lendich
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:29 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program

 

 

 Thomas,=

AutoCAD 2 D is easy enough, haven't tried the 3D yet, but I taught myself the = 2D, but your right being taught would be much quicker.

George ( down under)

Mike,

 

I was wanting to learn CAD but it seems I do better in a classroom setting for that sort of thing. Bottom line, I signed up for = some CAD classes at the local community college. …….. which also = qualified me for the academic pricing on the software.

 

T Mann

 

From:= Rotary = motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike = Wills
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:15 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program

 

Thanks Monty. Alibre was the tool I was thinking of. Never seen Rhino but I = will take a look. Building an airplane is sort of an excuse to learn the tool. I = suspect that I could design/build what I want without it. But it might help me visualize the end result before I go to far down the wrong path. Clearly = I'm not going to invest huge $ in a cad package to build a one = off.

 

Mike

 <= /o:p>

Sent: Monday, = February 08, 2010 7:07 AM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program

 

Mike,<= o:p>

 

If you are going to design an airplane I would go with Rhino http://www.rhino3d.com/. Not free. = Not parametric. But you will have an easier time transitioning to it with = your experience. It is capable of doing the surfaces necessary for an = aircraft. Autocad experience translates nicely into Rhino. The solid modeling is = pretty crappy in Rhino, but I never use it.

 

If you must have a parametric solid modeler you can try Alibre for free: http://www.alibre.com/

 

It is a very good and cost effective package for doing parametric solid = modeling. It also has a sheet metal module. The free version is not the most = capable thing in the world. I think you can upgrade to the hobby version for = very little money. I have the full blown professional package. I like it. It = will do 95% of what Solid Works will do for much less money. =

 

If you need to be able to do real parametric surfacing for something like = an aircraft, forget all the mid range packages and ProE, nothing short = of Catia or Unigraphics is going to work satisfactorily. For either of = these you will be spending $20K+ and about $4K/year on maintenance. =

 

Makes Rhino look REALLY GOOD.

 

Parametrics can be more trouble than they are worth with complex = models.

 

If I really must have a complex surface with parametric detail, I create = surfaces in Rhino and import them to Alibre. I add all the parametric detail there.  

 

Try everything else first, but you won't regret spending the money on Rhino. = I've been using it since Rhino 1.0.

 

Monty<= o:p>

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike Wills

Sent:<= /b> Sunday, = February 07, 2010 11:41 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] = CAD program

 

Some time back I think it was Monty Roberts who posted about a free parametric = modeling software package. I lost the link (and name of the software) when my = last PC died. I didn’t grab the software at the time because didn’t = feel I had the time to learn to use it. But I'm interested in learning now. Monty (or anyone = else for that matter) do you still have a link? Did anyone dive in at the = time and try it? If so, I'd like a little feedback. I have lots of experience = with 2D Autocad and a little experience with both ProE and = Solidworks.

 

I'm starting to think seriously about my next project. I've given up waiting = for Van to finish his RV-11 motorglider and I've just about convinced myself = that I can design and build my own version. Would like to do some doodling in a = 3D cad program.

 

Mike = Wills

RV-4 = N144MW


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