X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from poplet2.per.eftel.com ([203.24.100.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.2) with ESMTP id 4118376 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:30:05 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.24.100.45; envelope-from=lendich@aanet.com.au Received: from sv1-1.aanet.com.au (mail.aanet.com.au [203.24.100.34]) by poplet2.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D0A1738B8 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:29:30 +0800 (WST) Received: from ownerf1fc517b8 (203.171.92.134.static.rev.aanet.com.au [203.171.92.134]) by sv1-1.aanet.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 2045ABEC037 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:29:28 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:29:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CAAA33.8B2481C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100209-1, 02/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CAAA33.8B2481C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thomas, AutoCAD 2 D is easy enough, haven't tried the 3D yet, but I taught = myself the 2D, but your right being taught would be much quicker. George ( down under) Mike, =20 I was wanting to learn CAD but it seems I do better in a classroom = setting for that sort of thing. Bottom line, I signed up for some CAD = classes at the local community college. .... which also qualified me for = the academic pricing on the software. =20 T Mann =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Mike Wills Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:15 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program =20 Thanks Monty. Alibre was the tool I was thinking of. Never seen Rhino = but I will take a look. Building an airplane is sort of an excuse to = learn the tool. I suspect that I could design/build what I want without = it. But it might help me visualize the end result before I go to far = down the wrong path. Clearly I'm not going to invest huge $ in a cad = package to build a one off. =20 Mike =20 From: MONTY ROBERTS=20 Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:07 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program =20 Mike, =20 If you are going to design an airplane I would go with Rhino = http://www.rhino3d.com/. Not free. Not parametric. But you will have an = easier time transitioning to it with your experience. It is capable of = doing the surfaces necessary for an aircraft. Autocad experience = translates nicely into Rhino. The solid modeling is pretty crappy in = Rhino, but I never use it. =20 If you must have a parametric solid modeler you can try Alibre for = free: http://www.alibre.com/ =20 It is a very good and cost effective package for doing parametric = solid modeling. It also has a sheet metal module. The free version is = not the most capable thing in the world. I think you can upgrade to the = hobby version for very little money. I have the full blown professional = package. I like it. It will do 95% of what Solid Works will do for much = less money.=20 =20 If you need to be able to do real parametric surfacing for something = like an aircraft, forget all the mid range packages and ProE, nothing = short of Catia or Unigraphics is going to work satisfactorily. For = either of these you will be spending $20K+ and about $4K/year on = maintenance.=20 =20 Makes Rhino look REALLY GOOD. =20 Parametrics can be more trouble than they are worth with complex = models. =20 If I really must have a complex surface with parametric detail, I = create surfaces in Rhino and import them to Alibre. I add all the = parametric detail there. =20 =20 Try everything else first, but you won't regret spending the money on = Rhino. I've been using it since Rhino 1.0. =20 Monty ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Wills=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] CAD program =20 Some time back I think it was Monty Roberts who posted about a free = parametric modeling software package. I lost the link (and name of the = software) when my last PC died. I didn't grab the software at the time = because didn't feel I had the time to learn to use it. But I'm = interested in learning now. Monty (or anyone else for that matter) do = you still have a link? Did anyone dive in at the time and try it? If so, = I'd like a little feedback. I have lots of experience with 2D Autocad = and a little experience with both ProE and Solidworks. =20 I'm starting to think seriously about my next project. I've given up = waiting for Van to finish his RV-11 motorglider and I've just about = convinced myself that I can design and build my own version. Would like = to do some doodling in a 3D cad program. =20 Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- No virus found in this incoming message. 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 Thomas,
AutoCAD 2 D is easy enough, haven't = tried the 3D=20 yet, but I taught myself the 2D, but your right being taught would be = much=20 quicker.
George ( down under)

Mike,

 

I=20 was wanting to learn CAD but it seems I do better in a classroom = setting for=20 that sort of thing. Bottom line, I signed up for some CAD classes at = the local=20 community college. =85=85.. which also qualified me for the academic = pricing on=20 the software.

 

T=20 Mann

 

From: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike = Wills
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:15 PM
To: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD=20 program

 

Thanks=20 Monty. Alibre was the tool I was thinking of. Never seen Rhino but I = will take=20 a look. Building an airplane is sort of an excuse to learn the tool. I = suspect=20 that I could design/build what I want without it. But it might help me = visualize the end result before I go to far down the wrong path. = Clearly I'm=20 not going to invest huge $ in a cad package to build a one=20 off.

 

Mike

 

From: MONTY=20 ROBERTS

Sent: Monday, = February=20 08, 2010 7:07 AM

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re:=20 CAD program

 

Mike,

 

If you = are going to=20 design an airplane I would go with Rhino http://www.rhino3d.com/. Not = free. Not=20 parametric. But you will have an easier time transitioning to it with = your=20 experience. It is capable of doing the surfaces necessary for an = aircraft.=20 Autocad experience translates nicely into Rhino. The solid modeling is = pretty=20 crappy in Rhino, but I never use it.

 

If you = must have a=20 parametric solid modeler you can try Alibre for free: http://www.alibre.com/

 

It is a = very good=20 and cost effective package for doing parametric solid modeling. It = also has a=20 sheet metal module. The free version is not the most capable thing in = the=20 world. I think you can upgrade to the hobby version for very little = money. I=20 have the full blown professional package. I like it. It will do 95% of = what=20 Solid Works will do for much less money.

 

If you = need to be=20 able to do real parametric surfacing for something like an aircraft,=20 forget all the mid range packages and ProE, nothing short of = Catia or=20 Unigraphics is going to work satisfactorily. For either of these = you will=20 be spending $20K+ and about $4K/year on maintenance.=20

 

Makes = Rhino look=20 REALLY GOOD.

 

Parametrics can be=20 more trouble than they are worth with complex=20 models.

 

If I = really must=20 have a complex surface with parametric detail, I create surfaces in = Rhino and=20 import them to Alibre. I add all the parametric detail=20 there.  

 

Try = everything else=20 first, but you won't regret spending the money on Rhino. I've been = using it=20 since Rhino 1.0.

 

Monty

----- = Original=20 Message -----

From: Mike = Wills=20

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Sent: = Sunday, February=20 07, 2010 11:41 AM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] CAD=20 program

 

Some=20 time back I think it was Monty Roberts who posted about a free = parametric=20 modeling software package. I lost the link (and name of the = software) when=20 my last PC died. I didn=92t grab the software at the time because = didn=92t feel=20 I had the time to learn to use it. But I'm interested in learning = now. Monty=20 (or anyone else for that matter) do you still have a link? Did = anyone dive=20 in at the time and try it? If so, I'd like a little feedback. I have = lots of=20 experience with 2D Autocad and a little experience with both ProE = and=20 Solidworks.

 

I'm=20 starting to think seriously about my next project. I've given up = waiting for=20 Van to finish his RV-11 motorglider and I've just about convinced = myself=20 that I can design and build my own version. Would like to do some = doodling=20 in a 3D cad program.

 

Mike=20 Wills

RV-4=20 N144MW


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