X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from poplet2.per.eftel.com ([203.24.100.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.2) with ESMTP id 4118380 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:27:37 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.24.100.45; envelope-from=lendich@aanet.com.au Received: from sv1-1.aanet.com.au (mail.aanet.com.au [203.24.100.34]) by poplet2.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD131737B7 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:27:00 +0800 (WST) Received: from ownerf1fc517b8 (203.171.92.134.static.rev.aanet.com.au [203.171.92.134]) by sv1-1.aanet.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id C6301BEC012 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:26:58 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:26:59 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01CAAA33.3203E310" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100209-1, 02/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CAAA33.3203E310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, What ever happened to that aircraft design package that was available. George (down under) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Wills=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:15 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program Thanks Monty. Alibre was the tool I was thinking of. Never seen Rhino = but I will take a look. Building an airplane is sort of an excuse to = learn the tool. I suspect that I could design/build what I want without = it. But it might help me visualize the end result before I go to far = down the wrong path. Clearly I'm not going to invest huge $ in a cad = package to build a one off. Mike From: MONTY ROBERTS=20 Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:07 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program Mike, If you are going to design an airplane I would go with Rhino = http://www.rhino3d.com/. Not free. Not parametric. But you will have an = easier time transitioning to it with your experience. It is capable of = doing the surfaces necessary for an aircraft. Autocad experience = translates nicely into Rhino. The solid modeling is pretty crappy in = Rhino, but I never use it. If you must have a parametric solid modeler you can try Alibre for = free: http://www.alibre.com/ It is a very good and cost effective package for doing parametric = solid modeling. It also has a sheet metal module. The free version is = not the most capable thing in the world. I think you can upgrade to the = hobby version for very little money. I have the full blown professional = package. I like it. It will do 95% of what Solid Works will do for much = less money.=20 If you need to be able to do real parametric surfacing for something = like an aircraft, forget all the mid range packages and ProE, nothing = short of Catia or Unigraphics is going to work satisfactorily. For = either of these you will be spending $20K+ and about $4K/year on = maintenance.=20 Makes Rhino look REALLY GOOD. Parametrics can be more trouble than they are worth with complex = models. If I really must have a complex surface with parametric detail, I = create surfaces in Rhino and import them to Alibre. I add all the = parametric detail there. =20 Try everything else first, but you won't regret spending the money on = Rhino. I've been using it since Rhino 1.0. Monty ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Wills=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] CAD program Some time back I think it was Monty Roberts who posted about a free = parametric modeling software package. I lost the link (and name of the = software) when my last PC died. I didn't grab the software at the time = because didn't feel I had the time to learn to use it. But I'm = interested in learning now. Monty (or anyone else for that matter) do = you still have a link? Did anyone dive in at the time and try it? If so, = I'd like a little feedback. I have lots of experience with 2D Autocad = and a little experience with both ProE and Solidworks. I'm starting to think seriously about my next project. I've given up = waiting for Van to finish his RV-11 motorglider and I've just about = convinced myself that I can design and build my own version. Would like = to do some doodling in a 3D cad program. 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Mike,
What ever happened to that aircraft = design package=20 that was available.
George (down under)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike = Wills
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, = 2010 1:15=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD=20 program

Thanks Monty. Alibre was the tool I was = thinking of.=20 Never seen Rhino but I will take a look. Building an airplane is sort = of an=20 excuse to learn the tool. I suspect that I could design/build what I = want=20 without it. But it might help me visualize the end result before I go = to far=20 down the wrong path. Clearly I'm not going to invest huge $ in a cad = package=20 to build a one off.
 
Mike

Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:07 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program

Mike,
 
If you are going to design an = airplane I would go=20 with Rhino http://www.rhino3d.com/. Not=20 free. Not parametric. But you will have an easier time transitioning = to it=20 with your experience. It is capable of doing the surfaces necessary = for an=20 aircraft. Autocad experience translates nicely into Rhino. The solid = modeling=20 is pretty crappy in Rhino, but I never use it.
 
If you must have a parametric solid = modeler you=20 can try Alibre for free: http://www.alibre.com/
 
It is a very good and cost effective = package for=20 doing parametric solid modeling. It also has a sheet metal module. The = free=20 version is not the most capable thing in the world. I think you can = upgrade to=20 the hobby version for very little money. I have the full blown = professional=20 package. I like it. It will do 95% of what Solid Works will do for = much less=20 money.
 
If you need to be able to do real = parametric=20 surfacing for something like an aircraft, forget all the mid = range=20 packages and ProE, nothing short of Catia or Unigraphics is going to = work=20 satisfactorily. For either of these you will be spending $20K+ = and about=20 $4K/year on maintenance.
 
Makes Rhino look REALLY = GOOD.
 
Parametrics can be more trouble than = they are=20 worth with complex models.
 
If I really must have a complex = surface with=20 parametric detail, I create surfaces in Rhino and import them to = Alibre. I add=20 all the parametric detail there.  
 
Try everything else first, but you = won't regret=20 spending the money on Rhino. I've been using it since Rhino = 1.0.
 
Monty
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike = Wills=20
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Sunday, February 07, = 2010 11:41=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] CAD = program

Some time back I think it was Monty = Roberts who=20 posted about a free parametric modeling software package. I lost the = link=20 (and name of the software) when my last PC died. I didn=92t grab the = software=20 at the time because didn=92t feel I had the time to learn to use it. = But I'm=20 interested in learning now. Monty (or anyone else for that matter) = do you=20 still have a link? Did anyone dive in at the time and try it? If so, = I'd=20 like a little feedback. I have lots of experience with 2D Autocad = and a=20 little experience with both ProE and Solidworks.
 
I'm starting to think seriously about my = next=20 project. I've given up waiting for Van to finish his RV-11 = motorglider and=20 I've just about convinced myself that I can design and build my own = version.=20 Would like to do some doodling in a 3D cad program.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW


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