Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #49820
From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Wedge/Oblique Duct
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:52:17 -0800
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

George;

 

I haven’t been following this thread, and stepping in here may reflect that; but I don’t really understand your question.  The size of the inlet opening is determined by the amount of heat you need to reject, best taken as corresponding to something close to the climb power.  That; with the density and specific heat of air, gives you the cfm required.  When you know that, and the approximate climb speed of your application, you can calculate the required inlet opening.

 

Having done all those calcs, I (or ED, I’m sure) could scale those numbers for you fairly readily to your power level and speed.

 

Other things follow from there; including the face area of the rad. Optimally, you’d like to have a way of adjusting inlet and exit areas for absolute minimum drag; but that’s very complicated.  If you can do one of those, adjust the exit area. If both are fixed and you want least drag, you can size the inlet for something closer to cruise speed, and add the complexity of the spray-bar idea for added cooling during high power regimes. 

 

It’s good to have some sort of control over the amount of cooling to maintain engine temps within some reasonable range.  If the cooling system is sized for climb on a hot day, a thermostat is a way to maintain temps for other regimes. There is the rare possibility of a thermostat sticking closed, but that is something that hopefully would be noted before takeoff.

 

Not that I advocate this approach, but I have a setup that doesn’t require any pilot intervention and serves quite well.  I have 2 coolant radiators, one which can handle the cooling for normal cruise (both coolant and some of the oil heat), and one (connected in parallel) that can handle maybe 30-40% more (in the wing root with presumably a fairly low drag inlet/outlet. The second has an in-line thermostat, so only comes into service during high-power operation, or very hot days.  I have an oil/air cooler that handles normal cruise power, and small oil/water exchanger (in parallel) that keeps the oil temps at a safe level for high power by transferring heat to the coolant. Yeah; the plumbing is a little more complicated, but I like the way it works.

 

(Sorry, it seems what starts out to be a simple answer always turn into more complicated discussions).

 

Al G

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Lendich
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 2:31 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Wedge/Oblique Duct

 

 Ed,

I have been thinking about this, if I use A1V1=A2V2 to solve for the inlet opening size, how do I know if the speed of air through the duct is correct i.e. 10% for cruise and 30% for climb.

 

Also If I use the Cessna 171 speed of approx 100 K for cruise = 10 K through core, 70 knot climb and approx 20 K through core. Do I then use the climb speed to calculate inlet air openings and attach an adjustable louver exit OR I suppose I could do as Tracy does and calculate for cruise and attach a spray bar.

 

I'm still a little confused on the best approach.

George ( down under)

BTW it's Australia Day today - arrival of the first fleet.

 

George, For the bell shaped duct, what I have read in K & W it appears they  say the inlet area should be between 0.25 – 0.40 of the core area.  The more slowing of the air velocity that needs to be done by the diffuser before the core that is needed appears to call for lower area ratio values of Ai/Ab (area inlet/area core).  In the example plotted of an streamline duct in K&W the chart shows the area ratio was 0.40.


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Lendich
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:16 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Wedge/Oblique Duct

 

Ed,

If Ai is .33 Ab and .44 Ab for the wedge ducts, what's it for the bell shaped duct - is there any  similar drawing?

George ( down under)

----- Original Message -----

From: Ed Anderson

Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:39 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Wedge/Oblique Duct

 

 

George, here are two figures from K&W – one could be described as a “Wedge” figure 12-6 and the other one a “streamline” wedge figure 12-12.

 

Always  dangerous for me to try to interpret what K&W are really saying, but from what I get from these two figures, it would appear that the “streamline” wedge permits you to use a smaller inlet (Ai = 0.30 Ab) for the same performance (same losses) that you get with a larger opening Ai = 0.44 Ab for the pure Wedge.  But, that is just my take on it.

 

The slight bump (where the 64 deg angle is annotated) of the Streamline wedge may be to increase the boundary layer velocity to delay separation of the boundary layer  in that far corner where duct meets core. 

 

Ed

Ed Anderson

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