Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #49720
From: Joe Ewen <jewen@comporium.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator Filter
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:37:29 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Al,
 
What part of CA are you in?  How far from Glendale?  I have to visit a customer in Glendale the second week of February.  I would love to stop by and meet you, see your machine etc.  If you do not mind and are a reasonable distance from Glendale.
 
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Gietzen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:33 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator Filter

Joe;

Gees, that’s a weird one.

I assume from your note that problem is no ignition trigger pulse, and that the injectors are firing.  Have you determined where the signal is being interrupted?  Is the loss of signal from the CAS, or out of the EC2?  The capacitor grounded to the engine will be inducing some sort of opposite signal to ground – maybe affecting the CAS?  Just some WAG.

 

I have no filter on the alternator output – never saw more than the normal ripple there. Could a failed diode in the output converter be making big spikes? Wait – even with alt off, no start? What’s in the ‘alt filter’ besides a capacitor? Is the filter in the circuit when you run the external wire?

 

Just a few random thoughts – I expect you know more than I about how this stuff works.

 

Al G

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Joe Ewen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:13 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Alternator Filter

 

I have been having problems with my engine installation.  Starts, runs great - turn on the alternator and the engine starts to miss.  Put a scope on R1 ignition trigger lead and sure enough missing trigger pulses.   Turn alternator off no more missing pulses.  Looked at the alternator output with the scope and as expected saw some spikes.  Bought an aircraft spruce alternator filter.  Ran the engine , worked fine until it would not prime or run any more.  That turned out to be a defective store switch.  Replaced the switch and back to normal.  Here is the part I do not yet understand.

 

Engine runs fine, added alternator filter and can not even get a pop.  Take the filter off, starts fine.  Filter back on (alt off), no joy.  Filter on (alt on), no joy. Filter off, runs fine.  I can not imagine how a filter capacitor is interfering with the ignition of the controller.  If anyone has any insight please feel to speak up.

 

I have 2 wiring ducts: 1. quiet - signals such as to the PCM, ignition firing leads, low voltage sensor, analog signals.  2. Noisy side, battery cables, ignition power, injector power and signal (twisted pair shielded (shield properly grounded.)

 

Alternator connects to battery cable at the starter.  If I run an external wire between the alternator and the battery (outside the airframe, long wire - engine in back, battery in front (canard)) everything runs fine.) Aesthetically this might not be a good approach, not to mention the aerodynamic impact.

 

This problem has kicked my butt this week working on it in the cool 20F evening air.  Any insight is appreciated, especially why a capacitor (which does not conduct DC) would render the EC2 controller inoperative would be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Joe

 

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