X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.190.87] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.0) with ESMTP id 4069664 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:56:00 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.190.87; envelope-from=stol83001@live.com Received: from BAY143-W22 ([65.54.190.125]) by bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:55:24 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: stol83001@live.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_910ee271-482c-486d-8119-68373cf867b4_" X-Originating-IP: [75.174.168.40] From: ben haas To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: water temp probe Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:55:24 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2010 22:55:24.0904 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9FF4680:01CA90B5] --_910ee271-482c-486d-8119-68373cf867b4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the feedback Jeff. I see your reasoning and the cooling effect o= f the oil for the rotors. I will research a little more on the rotory's bef= ore commenting. Personally I set my lower temp limits for oil at 210. Anyth= ing cooler and I am not happy=2C I am a piston guy................ so far.= Ben Haas www.haaspowerair.com =20 To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net From: jwhaley@datacast.com Date: Fri=2C 8 Jan 2010 10:04:02 -0800 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water temp probe Ben=2C you=92re right in that any one probe does not tell the whole story= =2C but specific to the Rotary if only one probe is provided/available then= the input oil temperature is most important. The oil flow diagrams show r= eturn oil from cooler is pumped through e-shaft and sprayed inside the roto= rs for their cooling. Previous posts and literature state that the rotor o= il seals will be damaged by sustained oil temperature >210F. It is also important to use similar instrumentation to other builders for d= irect comparison from one installation to the next =85=20 I only measure return oil temperature myself=3B I=92d be interested to know= what delta T=92s (oil) other builders are seeing. Jeff =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Beh= alf Of ben haas Sent: Friday=2C January 08=2C 2010 9:17 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water temp probe =20 I respectivly disagree on the oil temp sender location. One can have a very= efficient oil cooler that removes alot of heat from the oil. Oil 'in' tem= ps are important but=2C=2C=2C=2C You could possibly have a motor making alo= t of oil heat and slowing cooking the motor over time and not really know i= t. Just like with the water temp probe. One needs to know exactly what is h= appening in the motor in real time... YMMV. Ben Haas www.haaspowerair.com =20 To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Date: Fri=2C 8 Jan 2010 06:18:39 -0600 From: msteitle@gmail.com Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water temp probe Kevin=2C=20 =20 I think you want to measure the temp of the coolant as it exits the engine.= That way you know how close you are to your upper operating limit. If yo= u have a second input=2C you can measure the temps after the radiator. =20 Oil temps are just the opposite... measure temps after oil has been through= the cooler and is entering the engine. =20 Mark S. =20 On Fri=2C Jan 8=2C 2010 at 12:52 AM=2C kevin lane wrote= : in looking for a place to mount a water temp probe I realized my radiator h= as a drain plug fitting on the bottom of one of the end tanks that could wo= rk. that portion of the tank has cooled water about to return to the pump.= does it matter if I monitor the before or after radiator temps? the eng= ine sees both=2C right? =20 same question as to the oil temp probe. the stock oil cooler has a large f= itting [plug?] underneath of one end tank=2C not sure of its usage. also h= ave an extra plug in the oil pan [out the side] which might work [?] told = that originally had a oil level sender unit in there. kevin =20 =20 Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. This message=2C and the documents attached hereto=2C is intended only for t= he addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any un= authorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this mes= sage in error=2C please notify us immediately so that we may correct our in= ternal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/= --_910ee271-482c-486d-8119-68373cf867b4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the feedback Jeff. I see your reasoning and the cooling effect o= f the oil for the rotors. I will research a little more on the rotory's&nbs= p=3Bbefore commenting. Personally I set my lower temp limits for oil at 210= . Anything cooler and I am not happy=2C =3B I am a piston guy..........= ...... so far. <=3BGG>=3B

Ben Haas
www.haaspowerair.com



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To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net
From: jwhaley@datacast.com
Date: Fri= =2C 8 Jan 2010 10:04:02 -0800
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water temp probe<= BR>

Ben=2C you=92re right in that any o= ne probe does not tell the whole story=2C but specific to the Rotary if onl= y one probe is provided/available then the input oil temperature is most im= portant. =3B The oil flow diagrams show return oil from cooler is pumpe= d through e-shaft and sprayed inside the rotors for their cooling. =3B = Previous posts and literature state that the rotor oil seals will be damage= d by sustained oil temperature >=3B210F.

It is also important to use similar= instrumentation to other builders for direct comparison from one installat= ion to the next =85

I only measure return oil temperatu= re myself=3B I=92d be interested to know what delta T=92s (oil) other build= ers are seeing.

Jeff

 =3B

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:fly= rotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of ben haas
Sent: Frid= ay=2C January 08=2C 2010 9:17 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraftSubject: [FlyRotary] Re: water temp probe

 =3B

I respectivly disagree on the oil temp sender locatio= n. One can have a very efficient oil cooler that removes alot of heat from = the oil. Oil =3B 'in' temps are important but=2C=2C=2C=2C You could pos= sibly have a motor making alot of oil heat and slowing cooking the motor ov= er time and not really know it. Just like with the water temp probe. One ne= eds to know exactly what is happening in the motor in real time... =3B = YMMV.

Ben Haas
www.haaspowerair.com


 =3B


To: flyrotary@lancairon= line.net
Date: Fri=2C 8 Jan 2010 06:18:39 -0600
From: msteitle@gmail.= com
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water temp probe

Kevin=2C

 =3B

I =3Bthink you want to =3Bmeasure the temp of= the coolant =3Bas it exits the engine. =3B That way you know how c= lose you are to your upper operating limit. =3B If you have a second in= put=2C you can measure the temps after the radiator.

 =3B

Oil temps are just the opposite... measure temps afte= r oil has been through the cooler and is entering the engine.

 =3B

Mark S. =3B =

On Fri=2C Jan 8=2C 2010 at 12:52 AM=2C kevin lane <= =3Bn3773@comcast.net>=3B wrote:<= /SPAN>

in looking for a place to mount a water temp probe I realized = my radiator has a drain plug fitting on the bottom of one of the end tanks = that could work. =3B that portion of the tank has cooled water about to= return to the pump. =3B =3B does it matter if I monitor the before= or after radiator temps? =3B the engine sees both=2C right? =3B&nb= sp=3B =3B

same question as to the oil temp =3Bprobe. =3B =3B= the stock oil cooler has a large fitting [plug?] underneath of one end tank= =2C not sure of its usage. =3B also have an extra plug in the oil pan [= out the side] which might work [?] =3B told that originally had a oil l= evel sender unit in there. =3B =3B kevin =3B

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