X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com ([208.47.184.3] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.0) with ESMTP id 4065706 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:01:31 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=208.47.184.3; envelope-from=candtmallory@embarqmail.com Return-Path: DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1262732456; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=Y3vVORSMff7Qki6CWzZJaUsSVlM=; b=VCdwpRGxuf9VB9mQRoT9wTvsPIFaS+5Jfx9TbshbqibnBb/CrjRtzLzMSGrVscTj kb0PGhHRTg5IxstaoqGiEXHWJqMk0X0mOhgRF26WaDCURX5KkEebpg3sCMVtZkYG; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=w5y3qFZ9HCf2/WKmsBiEDU+nZYRHhYAH7NJvOuYQsUg= c=1 sm=0 a=VRYOJ9gpqIQA:10 a=badU9+TKRqnFc8C8uJQaFA==:17 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=K8R3rOIp58OOZeB2t6QA:9 a=SBtDQdQV_1NzGxHwiyAA:7 a=tElX2W7tq5RBJfUmRT6KqMyUL88A:4 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=as7wpnFuN7v0yjOu:21 a=0rISF3AWy2A3zQIl:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=XlN0dct20JtQN8TzWgcA:7 a=0-QIG2x7R4tmqfsiSy1i2sSfvhYA:4 a=badU9+TKRqnFc8C8uJQaFA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=candtmallory@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [76.3.87.203] ([76.3.87.203:11160] helo=AcerPC) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTPA id BD/BB-16192-8A4C34B4; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:00:56 -0500 From: "Chris and Terria" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] first start check list Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:00:55 -0500 Message-ID: <003501ca8e5a$f0137bd0$d03a7370$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA8E31.073D73D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: AcqNw+aSNX6d0xkET1mMtduYq5JhtAAloZbA Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA8E31.073D73D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin, =20 Don=E2=80=99t do the 50 gal drum instead of the radiator. I did this = and fried my engine! The pump isn=E2=80=99t strong enough to pull the = water up from the drum. You need to ensure the coolant system is = completely filled, no air pockets, and that the pump is primed. =20 I=E2=80=99ll follow up with a full report of my engine exploits after = it=E2=80=99s all done. But right now, Bruce is rebuilding for me, then = we are going to install it in my plane and do the runups. He is = recording a lot of the rebuild/install, and will make a new video that = covers a lot of the little lessons learned that will hopefully keep the = next guy from making some of these costly mistakes. =20 Cheers, =20 Chris =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of kevin lane Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:59 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] first start check list =20 I am just about ready to try my first attempt at starting my renesis. = for my first phase, at least, I've chosen to use a side draft Weber carb = and DIS ignition system, which Lynn designed using an MSD ign box for = the primaries and 2 Chrysler elec ign's for the trailing plugs. I = thought I'd ask before introducing gasoline to my "creation" of any = steps or checks I need to do first. the engine and mount are bolted to = a mockup plywood firewall held up with steel legs. the psru is = installed, as well as the radiators [oil & water]. exhaust is just = headers for now [pointing down]. when I crank it over all the plugs are = firing [especially the MSD powered ones, which fire multiple times below = 1000rpm]. the carb is brand new, with whatever jets they come with. = haven't designed a leaning capability yet. 1. I need to add a oil pressure gauge right away. I'll need water temp = after it gets running for any length of time. put mineral oil in for = initial break-in [turrentine engine, never run] 2. oh yeah, get it out of the basement! guess airport best for making = lots of noise 3. fire extinguisher 4. got the 6k rpm limiter plugged in to the MSD 5. fill with water 6. fabricate some remote throttle cable? or do you just stand there and = manipulate it by hand? =20 guess I fine tune timing after it is running with a strobe light? I've = marked the firing points on the flexwheel. the pick-ups can be adjusted = some if needed. I assume I don't need a prop or club at this point, right? thought a small gravity fed fuel tank would work at first. should I buy new plugs? the used ones that came with the engine seem to = spark OK. =20 could I run this early on with the water pump attached to say a 50 = gallon tank of cold water rather than trying to get it radiator cooled? kevin [it won't be loud, will it? =E2=98=BA] ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA8E31.073D73D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Kevin,

 

Don=E2=80=99t do the 50 gal drum instead of the = radiator.=C2=A0 I did this and fried my engine!=C2=A0 The pump isn=E2=80=99t strong enough to pull = the water up from the drum.=C2=A0 You need to ensure the coolant system is completely = filled, no air pockets, and that the pump is primed.

 

I=E2=80=99ll follow up with a full report of my engine = exploits after it=E2=80=99s all done.=C2=A0 But right now, Bruce is rebuilding for me, then we are = going to install it in my plane and do the runups.=C2=A0 He is recording a lot of = the rebuild/install, and will make a new video that covers a lot of the = little lessons learned that will hopefully keep the next guy from making some = of these costly mistakes.

 

Cheers,

 

Chris

 

From:= Rotary = motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of kevin = lane
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:59 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] first start check list

 

I am = just about ready to try my first attempt at starting my renesis.  for my first = phase, at least, I've chosen to use a side draft Weber carb and DIS ignition = system, which Lynn designed using an MSD ign box for the primaries and 2 = Chrysler elec ign's for the trailing plugs.  I thought I'd ask before introducing gasoline to my "creation" of any steps or checks I need to do first.  the engine and mount are bolted to a mockup plywood = firewall held up with steel legs.  the psru is installed, as well as the = radiators [oil & water].  exhaust is just headers for now [pointing = down].  when I crank it over all the plugs are firing [especially the MSD powered = ones, which fire multiple times below 1000rpm].  the carb is brand new, = with whatever jets they come with.  haven't designed a leaning = capability yet.

1. I = need to add a oil pressure gauge right away.  I'll need water temp after it gets = running for any length of time. put mineral oil in for initial break-in = [turrentine engine, never run]

2. oh = yeah, get it out of the basement!  guess airport best for making lots of = noise

3. fire extinguisher

4. got = the 6k rpm limiter plugged in to the MSD

5. fill = with water

6. = fabricate some remote throttle cable? or do you just stand there and manipulate it by = hand?

 

guess I = fine tune timing after it is running with a strobe light?  I've marked the = firing points on the flexwheel.  the pick-ups can be adjusted some if = needed.

I = assume I don't need a prop or club at this point, right?

thought = a small gravity fed fuel tank would work at = first.

should = I buy new plugs?  the used ones that came with the engine seem to spark OK.  

could I = run this early on with the water pump attached to say a 50 gallon tank of cold = water rather than trying to get it radiator cooled?

 kevin [it won't be loud, will it? =E2=98=BA]

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