X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.32] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.0) with ESMTP id 4065086 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:01:51 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.32; envelope-from=wschertz@comcast.net Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RpMm1d0011GXsucA3r1GWz; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:01:16 +0000 Received: from WschertzPC ([71.57.77.95]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Rr1D1d00123NHuF8Tr1FXF; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:01:16 +0000 Message-ID: <6023BF69F7874899959CCE8DB0E819B2@WschertzPC> From: "Bill Schertz" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] first start check list Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:01:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01CA8DE5.A2098300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01CA8DE5.A2098300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin, DON'T start it without a prop or club on the engine, too easy to overrev = it. (Are you sure the rev limiter works?) There have been several engine = ruined this way. If you start it with plain water, be sure to COMPLETELY drain and dry it = after the test, I had done water pump tests with water, drained it, but = enough held up to cause corrosion internally. Really should have the = corrosion inhibitors of antifreeze in it. FWIW Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing From: kevin lane=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:59 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] first start check list I am just about ready to try my first attempt at starting my renesis. = for my first phase, at least, I've chosen to use a side draft Weber carb = and DIS ignition system, which Lynn designed using an MSD ign box for = the primaries and 2 Chrysler elec ign's for the trailing plugs. I = thought I'd ask before introducing gasoline to my "creation" of any = steps or checks I need to do first. the engine and mount are bolted to = a mockup plywood firewall held up with steel legs. the psru is = installed, as well as the radiators [oil & water]. exhaust is just = headers for now [pointing down]. when I crank it over all the plugs are = firing [especially the MSD powered ones, which fire multiple times below = 1000rpm]. the carb is brand new, with whatever jets they come with. = haven't designed a leaning capability yet. 1. I need to add a oil pressure gauge right away. I'll need water temp = after it gets running for any length of time. put mineral oil in for = initial break-in [turrentine engine, never run] 2. oh yeah, get it out of the basement! guess airport best for making = lots of noise 3. fire extinguisher 4. got the 6k rpm limiter plugged in to the MSD 5. fill with water 6. fabricate some remote throttle cable? or do you just stand there and = manipulate it by hand? guess I fine tune timing after it is running with a strobe light? I've = marked the firing points on the flexwheel. the pick-ups can be adjusted = some if needed. I assume I don't need a prop or club at this point, right? thought a small gravity fed fuel tank would work at first. should I buy new plugs? the used ones that came with the engine seem to = spark OK. =20 could I run this early on with the water pump attached to say a 50 = gallon tank of cold water rather than trying to get it radiator cooled? kevin [it won't be loud, will it? =E2=98=BA] ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01CA8DE5.A2098300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kevin,
DON'T start it without a prop or club = on the=20 engine, too easy to overrev it. (Are you sure the rev limiter = works?) There=20 have been several engine ruined this way.
 
If you start it with plain water, be = sure to=20 COMPLETELY drain and dry it after the test, I had done water pump tests = with=20 water, drained it, but enough held up to cause corrosion internally. = Really=20 should have the corrosion inhibitors of antifreeze in it.
 
FWIW
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser=20 #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing

From: kevin lane
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:59 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] first start check = list

I am just about ready to try my first = attempt at=20 starting my renesis.  for my first phase, at least, I've chosen to = use a=20 side draft Weber carb and DIS ignition system, which Lynn designed using = an MSD=20 ign box for the primaries and 2 Chrysler elec ign's for the trailing=20 plugs.  I thought I'd ask before introducing gasoline to my = "creation" of=20 any steps or checks I need to do first.  the engine and mount are = bolted to=20 a mockup plywood firewall held up with steel legs.  the psru is = installed,=20 as well as the radiators [oil & water].  exhaust is just = headers for=20 now [pointing down].  when I crank it over all the plugs are firing = [especially the MSD powered ones, which fire multiple times below=20 1000rpm].  the carb is brand new, with whatever jets they come = with. =20 haven't designed a leaning capability yet.
1. I need to add a oil pressure gauge = right=20 away.  I'll need water temp after it gets running for any length of = time.=20 put mineral oil in for initial break-in [turrentine engine, never=20 run]
2. oh yeah, get it out of the = basement! =20 guess airport best for making lots of noise
3. fire extinguisher
4. got the 6k rpm limiter plugged in = to the=20 MSD
5. fill with water
6. fabricate some remote throttle = cable? or do=20 you just stand there and manipulate it by hand?
 
guess I fine tune timing after it is = running=20 with a strobe light?  I've marked the firing points on the = flexwheel. =20 the pick-ups can be adjusted some if needed.
I assume I don't need a prop or club = at this=20 point, right?
thought a small gravity fed fuel = tank would=20 work at first.
should I buy new plugs?  the used = ones that=20 came with the engine seem to spark OK.  
could I run this early on with the = water pump=20 attached to say a 50 gallon tank of cold water rather than trying to get = it=20 radiator cooled?
 kevin [it won't be loud, will = it?=20 =E2=98=BA]
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