X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao104.cox.net ([68.230.241.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c4) with ESMTP id 4041055 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:54:27 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.42; envelope-from=rv-4mike@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091225205353.NFQN16123.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:53:53 -0500 Received: from willsPC ([68.105.91.47]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id MYtq1d00811JKxw03YtsaV; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:53:52 -0500 X-VR-Score: 0.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=4cmh2gL1a6RJOvq2diO5/mV5P7W7DelkioqUudxRLMU= c=1 sm=1 a=ryZwJ4dGf74A:10 a=0/axarwMsD7CBOw3dIi+FQ==:17 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=x7v74I9tAAAA:8 a=xxiVs1m91JEni36Ih5YA:9 a=ab3BOZ95UfSW4m1nHiQA:7 a=2T9tU3MoTIC2hfBVOHJIq3F76hEA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=fsp4Gp76xoSNL4S1NUkA:9 a=fZV1rG66if65PB1s3MAA:7 a=NheYsxIwZkPubEai8-3IFIo3ARMA:4 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=0/axarwMsD7CBOw3dIi+FQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4F713AC50FFD4E658A546481828CFE7E@willsPC> From: "Mike Wills" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Merry Christmas to All Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:53:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA8561.4DADFB10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA8561.4DADFB10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kelly, When I started building the RV-4 I kept a hand written builders log. = For about a month. 13 years later when time came for the inspection I = had to try to re-create a log for my DAR inspection. I spent about a = month with the plans, receipts, pictures, etc... trying to reconstruct = my build and enter it in an Excel spreadsheet. I finally had a pretty = decent log after a months worth of work. And the DAR never asked to see = it! After asking various detailed questions about the build and my = engine installation I guess he was convinced I was the builder. Another = wasted month in the build process.... Merry Xmas to all! Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW From: Kelly Troyer=20 Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 11:58 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Merry Christmas to All Bill, I bought the plans for the Delta in 1968 !!...............Been = tinkering with building it for over 40 years off and on but had never really documented any expenses or = time spent for construction.............Started building a "Cassutt" after viewing = the Delta plans as it is a welders nightmare and my welding experience at that time consisted = of a few hours with a "Buzz Box" arc welder..............Gained enough gas welding = experience on that project to attempt the Delta............At that time all I had to do was = give the FAA a notarized statement that I had personally constructed over 50 % of the = aircraft......... I now have to document and construct a log with photos of all that has = been done by me as I understand that the DAR's do not like to just take your world = that you have built the majority of an aircraft.............On top of all that I = became interested in the Rotary Engine in the middle 1980's which added to the complexity of = the project since as we all know the Rotary just started to become a viable = alternative engine after=20 Tracy built his RV4 and started flying it in the middle = 1990's..........My first purchases for a flying Rotary were a "Ross" 2.85 psru and Tracy's "Dual Ignition = System" which was his first product after being hounded by many of us............This = is what let to his now very successfull mini industry that he had no intention of starting = ..........I have now purchased at least one of most of Tracy's products except his 2.17 = psru..........But I and several other on the list were responsible for him producing the = 2.85 psru after hounding him for several years............Who knows I may even live long = enough to get the Delta in the air.........But if I don"t my kids are going to = have a lot of expensive parts to sell to you guys (I consider all the group as friends even = those I have yet to meet) at bargain prices as they do not have a clue what any of it is = worth............. All the Best to You in 2010 -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 -------------- Original message from "Bill Schertz" = : --------------=20 Kelly, Nice summary of Dyke Delta's and why a rotary, but I didn't find any = log entries. Are you just getting set up? Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing From: Kelly Troyer=20 Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 9:10 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Merry Christmas to All Group, Wishing all a great holiday and a happy and productive new = year...............Hope all (includig myself) are able to make progress with our respective = projects..........After all the years spent on my project I am finally documenting the construction = process in some kind=20 of order using the free online system offered by www.expercraft.com = ............The link below is to my construction website which is part of their = system............. http://websites.expercraft.com/keltro=20 -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA8561.4DADFB10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kelly,
 
 When I started building the RV-4 I kept = a hand=20 written builders log. For about a month. 13 years later when time came = for the=20 inspection I had to try to re-create a log for my DAR inspection. I = spent about=20 a month with the plans, receipts, pictures, etc... trying to reconstruct = my=20 build and enter it in an Excel spreadsheet. I finally had a pretty = decent log=20 after a months worth of work. And the DAR never asked to see it! After = asking=20 various detailed questions about the build and my engine installation I = guess he=20 was convinced I was the builder. Another wasted month in the build=20 process....
 
 Merry Xmas to all!
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW

Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 11:58 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Merry Christmas to = All

Bill,
  I bought the plans for the Delta in 1968 = !!...............Been=20 tinkering with building it for
over 40 years off and on but had never really documented any = expenses or=20 time spent
for construction.............Started building a "Cassutt" after = viewing the=20 Delta plans as it
is a welders nightmare and my welding experience at that time = consisted of=20 a few hours
with a "Buzz Box" arc welder..............Gained enough gas welding = experience on that
project to attempt the Delta............At that time all I had to = do was=20 give the FAA a
notarized statement that I had personally constructed over 50 % of = the=20 aircraft.........
 I now have to document and construct a log with photos of all = that=20 has been done
by me as I understand that the DAR's do not like to just take your = world=20 that you
have built the majority of an aircraft.............On top of all = that I=20 became interested in
the Rotary Engine in the middle 1980's which added to the = complexity of the=20 project
since as we all know the Rotary just started to become a viable = alternative=20 engine after
Tracy built his RV4 and started flying it in the middle = 1990's..........My=20 first purchases
for a flying Rotary were a "Ross" 2.85 psru and Tracy's "Dual = Ignition=20 System" which
was his first product after being hounded by many of = us............This is=20 what let to his
now very successfull mini industry that he had no intention of = starting=20 ..........I have now
purchased at least one of most of Tracy's products except his 2.17=20 psru..........But I
and several other on the list were responsible for him producing = the 2.85=20 psru after
hounding him for several years............Who knows I may even live = long=20 enough to
get the Delta in the air.........But if I don"t my kids are going = to have a=20 lot of expensive
parts to sell to you guys (I consider all the group as friends even = those I=20 have yet to meet)
at bargain prices as they do not have a clue what any of it is=20 worth.............
 
All the Best to You in 2010
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke = Delta"_13B ROTARY=20 Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold =
--------------=20 Original message from "Bill Schertz" <wschertz@comcast.net>:=20 --------------

Kelly,
Nice summary of Dyke Delta's and why = a rotary,=20 but I didn't find any log entries.  Are you just getting set=20 up?
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser=20 #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing

Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Merry Christmas to = All

 
  Group,
      Wishing all a great holiday and a = happy=20 and productive new year...............Hope all
(includig myself) are able to make progress with our respective=20 projects..........After all the
years spent on my project I am finally documenting the = construction=20 process in some kind
of order using the free online system offered by   www.expercraft.com .........= ...The=20 link
below is to my construction website which is part of their=20 system.............
 
 
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke = Delta"_13B=20 ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold=20



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